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Michael Jackson :: Love, Sex, Playboy

April 14, 2010

1. Jacksons Touring, Tales of Groupies, Strippers & Prostitutes

2. The Relationship Cliff Notes

3. Sex Education

4. The Flirt

5. An Ass Man

6. A Little Crush

7. The Playboy

8. Friends and Family Talk

9. The Security Guards Know All

10. The Undercover Freak

11. The Qualities He Looks For In A Girl

12. Love, Sex And Women In His Own Words

13. Sexuality In His Music & Dance

15. Michael Jackson Was a Pescatarian
Bonus:

Compilation of Gif’s of Michael’s Sexuality in Music and Dance

Compilation of Gif’s of Michael Flirting

215 comments

  1. I wish that he and Lisa Marie had stayed together and had their own children! Michael was just SO conflicted, and I suppose he couldn’t very well open his secrets to a therapist, now could he? That’s what’s such a pity about his life…never being able to TRUST someone to give you the proper help and advice….and he needed lots. I’m still so sad over the whole thing.


    • It does not matter who he slept with, when he slept with her, and how many times he slept with her, or how many people he slept with and why or who he was married to, or did he sleep with groupies and blah blah blah.. and you know, y’all just sit around discussing oh lisa said that, ola ray did this, and groupies told their stories and he’s an undercover freak and so on and so forth and all that jazz talking about he loved women, he wasn’t gay yap yap yap.. ok, first of all we know nothing, NOTHING about his sex life, when he really lost his virginity and to how and how many and why and quiet frankly it isn’t our business now.. it is June 30, 2010.. Michael died on June 25, 2009 therefore it has been over YEAR since he has been gone and you guys are still wondering about his sex life? I honestly don’t even think that matters right now being that he’s only corpse now and lives through us spiritually so why don’t you take that and go find a video or some music & celebrate his artistry instead of wasting ur lives trying to figure out who he fucked, made love to, cheated on, talked to and what not because he ain’t doing none of that now, and that’s what matters!


  2. You girl, seriously RULE! I love your blogs, especially thi new one! Where do you get this stuff? I never even read 70% on here! GEEZ! I didn’t know Taraborelli wrote & quoted than in his 91 ed! I wonder why he removed it? I had heard tht Marlon had said something but I never got the source & now it’s from Taraborelli? Do you think that Marlon comment has some connection w/ that Harlem woman who said MJ bragged he had an older gf as kid? Also, if this were true, wouldn’t these girls come out & said some thing? Hmmmm….. interesting stuff.


    • You’re welcome. 😀

      For some reason fans seem to want to stay away from this kind of thing… and the only people who want to address his sexuality are the people who hate him. Fans seem scared to embrace his porn or any of this and it just leaves a huge openning for the haters to move in and claim all of this for themselves…

      I’ve heard MJ experienced things sexually with groupies on the road and that he liked older girls and he would brag about his experiences to the guys.

      It’s funny how JRT conveniantly doesn’t mention certain things in follow up books, right? Anything to fit his gay/asexual agenda. This is also a quote by JRT:

      Taraborrelli says he researched the biography for 10 years, interviewing hundreds of people both on and off the record. “I was never able to find anyone who had intimate relations with Michael Jackson whom I believed. Fifty claimed to, but I didn’t believe them.”

      ^^^ Why didn’t he believe them? He’s such a hack.


      • Yeah, I noticed that! It seems many of them are the ones upholding the asexual image or he was a virgin until he married LMP! LOL! If he was some ordinary Witness that wasn’t a superstar rockstar w/ women by the millions throwing themselves at you, I might believe it. But not w/ MJ! All you have to do is dig a little deep, watch his videos/performances & listen to his songs you’ll realize the guy was blatantly very very sexual!

        lot of LMP fans love JRT though, some of them are even willing to throw MJ under the bus just so they can have their perfect LMP. Apparently, JRT, hinted on something concerning his new book w/c I find rather puzzling – “it was touch & go there for a while but it all worked out in the end”. Apparently that little quote was in reference to MJ’s relationship w/ LMP? It’s also weird that JRT is so eager to release his book by June/September, why can’t he wait after hi trial instead of another edition once again?


        • Yup, some fans find the whole virgin-till-LMP thing really romantic. Heck, some fans just love the LMP relationship full stop! And JRT knows that so he decides to focus on their relationship and make it seem like this Romeo/Juliet fated tragic romance of the ages.

          In the book he doesn’t mention how MJ DID move on after their divorce and did have sexual romantic reltionships since, that he wasn’t pining for LMP the last 15 years. Supposedly some painting MJ bought in the last year has a woman that looks a little like LMP… this is enough for JRT to cook up some phony assed pining. LOL! It bugs the crap out of me, especially that fans fall for it.

          The touch-and-go-thing is just ugh, you mean touch-and-go ’cause LMP was giving 60 interviews out where she bitches about everything about him and tries to reduce him to some kind of embarressing phase? Own up to your life, woman.


      • i believe he was sexy with a lot of girls and some of it came out on stage if you watch really closely. it doesnt make an ounce of sense for anyone to believe this man resisted temptation all his life that would be absurd.


  3. Wait a minute! WHAT “Harlem woman who said MJ bragged he had an older gf as kid?” I NEVER heard THIS story! Do tell.

    And has Lisa Marie ever gone into any DETAILS about just how passionate MJ was with her? I know they used to play “dress-up,” but that’s all. Is there any MORE?


    • Nope, she’s never talked about their sex life. Just that he instigated it (whilst she was still married, so IMO the idea that MJ is a virgin goes out the window with that, what 35 year old virgin seduces a round-the-block-married-woman?) that if he didn’t satisfy her sexually she’d never have gotten married and that her taste in sex in general is “porn/rough.” The dressing up thing is so far just a Tarraborreli story.

      The Harlem story is a fan who says she used to babysit the J5 way back when and she says MJ would brag about having sex with an older women. I do think MJ experienced things sexually with older groupies when he was 12-15, but I don’t believe it was Diana or anyone.


    • —-
      A Harlem woman who says she was the first president of the Jackson Five fan club — and helped baby-sit the group during their rise to fame — is claiming Michael Jackson confessed to her in 1969 he was being molested by an adult.
      Antoinette Holmes, 51, said the then-10-year-old singer bragged he was having sexual relations with an adult “girlfriend.”
      Holmes’s attorney, Dario Navarro, said the celebrity was “world-renowned,” and others knew about the molestation.
      “It has bothered me for 35 years,” said Holmes, who said the confession came at the Essex Hotel, where the Jacksons were staying while performing at the Apollo Theater.
      One news station confirmed Holmes passed two lie-detector tests when telling the explosive story, but said they still had not decided whether to air it.
      “I think the public needs to get another side of Michael and understand his childhood.”
      Bridget Harrison
      —–


  4. Yea, but I read where Lisa also said that he wasn’t “sexually seductive.” Somebody needs to interview the former Mrs. L. M. P. Jackson AGAIN so she can get her stories straight! Maybe we should start a petition.

    Also, Rebbie said her brothers locked MJ in a room with a couple of pros when he was 15 because they decided it was “time,” but he freaked out and was traumatized by the experience.

    When this Harlem woman babysat the J5, was that in Gary, IN, or where? In Gary, they had a homebody Mother and older siblings to “sit” them, and by the time they were on the road, they didn’t NEED no babysitters –they had entourages and body guards. I think this Harlem dame is ditzy!

    Also, if you are a 35-yr old MAN, I imagine that having sex would just come VERY naturally, and we all know he had SEEN it done LOTS of times. It wouldn’t take a Rocket Scientist to figure that it goes in there and moves around & around and up & down! He wanted his beautiful bride to have BABIES so I’m sure he studied up on how best to GET them.

    Lisa just LOST OUT by listening to her JEALOUS and PREJUDICED mama and their JEALOUS and PREJUDICED friends badmouthing her man; and she just MISSED OUT, unfortunately, by not having his GORGEOUS babies!!! She realized it too — too late.


    • Oh, he definitely was no virgin by 35. I don’t think he was a virgin by 15. I think the people close to him must’ve thought it was hilarious that the world thought he was, especially knowing about the way he spoke about girls…

      LMP was on a whole anti-MJ thing where she acted embarressed to have been associated with him. I think she meant he wasn’t physically seductive… but c’mon, she didn’t follow him around the world for 2 years because he was unappealling sexually. 😉

      LMP did lose out and I think she only realizes that now. Too little, too late.

      The Harlem lady just said she babysat them LOL! She supposedly passed two lie detector tests. I think MJ bragged about his experiences with the groupies he met on the road, maybe she’s talking about that?


      • I you read that interview again of LMP, you’ll notice her backtracking because she basically let it slip.. She said he was charming & he has a way about him that sort of entrances you, riveting. & te interviewer asked ‘so MJ seduced you then?’ – I think she didn’t want to give MJ the satisfaction. She uses words like ‘manipulative’ when in fact he basically had her whipped & had in fact seduced her. She’s basically using alternative words to twist what had happened between her & MJ, of course, why would she ever admit MJ was highly sexual & had her panting like a dog when her intention was to paint him in as unfavorable light as much as possible? Look at her face when Oprah asked her if she consummated her marriage to MJ, she had that look like ‘if you only knew’. & look at MJ’s face when LMP was asked by Sawyer ‘what do you like most about him?’ – it was a sly naughty look! I bet you it was his forklift she loved most about him, she just couldn’t say it on national tv!


        • I know!


  5. WHERE did JRT say this? “I was never able to find anyone who had intimate relations with Michael Jackson whom I believed. Fifty claimed to, but I didn’t believe them.”

    And what I don’t understand is HOW was JRT able to write all about MJ’s life if MJ didn’t approve of what he wrote, or at least ALLOW it to be written about him? Otherwise, he could have SUED the author, right? How did JRT get so much credibility and was ABLE to travel around with MJ and document his moves? He HAD to have been “in the mix,” right?


    • That JRT quote was from an interview he gave Vanity Fair around the time he published the first edition.

      MJ didn’t approve anything. He’s just an unofficial biographer. Lots of people have written BS about MJ and many famous people over the years, so long as they use unnamed sources or say “allegedly” they can get away with a lot.

      He DEFINITELY wasn’t in the mix. He didn’t travel with MJ at all. He interviewed people but he was no close friend or confidante and only met MJ one one on in an interview with him AND other journalists back in the 70s. MJ then gave him a couple of interviews in the 90s, but they were real interviews not just casual friendly chats. He misquoted lots and lots of people, lied about timelines and did his best to make it seem like MJ was an asexual virgin until he somehow decided to not be one when he met Lisa Marie.


      • Although, 1 thing about JRT, he does name his sources, not just ‘allegedly’ or etc. & he does various research as well, but he lets his own preconceived notion cloud his judgment & he can be easily influenced by the public in his outlook & he shapes his book on that biased POV. Ex. is his lates edition & his judgmental & lack of empathy for MJ during the trial & his trauma due to it.


        • He does use a lot of unnamed people too, like that Rebbie quote this person is thinking about isn’t from Rebbie but some unnamed person who was supposedly BFF with Rebbie over the last 30 years. Yet they don’t name them so we don’t know who they are.

          What pisses me off most is the misquotes and how he changes the timelines to suit his agenda! Ask James McField if that quote above is actually what he said. James said it was his words but twisted around and mixed with someone else’s words.

          It’s so hard trying to get to the truth about anything, everyone’s agenda is always in the way.

          LOL I need to go take a breather, I just get annoyed at how wrong this man has been done. 😉


      • “He does use a lot of unnamed people too, like that Rebbie quote this person is thinking about isn’t from Rebbie but some unnamed person who was supposedly BFF with Rebbie over the last 30 years. Yet they don’t name them so we don’t know who they are.”

        Hmmm…..

        I agree w/ the rest. He writes his biographies in a narrative story-telling sort of way & he injects his own ideas unto it. So everything in it, from the way it is quoted, from what is left out or included are all hand-picked to reflect his own biases rather than just detailing events & etc. But the thing about JRT is he lets the public’s POV affect his, he has no independent thought or backbone to see things objectively or in a light different from what the public demands. W/c is why he redits his book whenever he changes his mind, he’s easily swayed by public opinion, very fickle. So this new book will reflect his new ideology on MJ & I’m sure after the trial ends, a new edition will arise reflecting another POV once more. Someone once said it would’ve been better for him to just write a continuation of his book, instead of redoing it to fit the current standards of the time.


    • Do you think MJ was ever going to approve Halperine’s book? What about Dimond’s? There are a lot of biographies there w/o the consent of the subject, MJ isn’t the 1st.


  6. Hey, did JRT mean 50 WOMEN or just 50 people in general? THIS is ONE instance where I REALLY wish somebody had made a secret sex tape! I know “I” would have — at least TRIED. All I know is if MJ could barely kiss Iman, or Naomi Campbell, and Tatiana had to FORCE him to kiss her, then how the HECK could he “do” it with Lisa?! Of course, he did have her NAKED in his video tho. Go, Mikey!!!!


    • I think he’s just giving a guestimate figure. I would guess he’s talking about women seeing as I believe if he met men who said they had sex with Michael he would have been thrilled to include their stories.

      How did those women you mention force him to kiss them?

      There are stories that definitely weren’t included in the book, stories his family are definitely aware about. MJ wasn’t as silent about his love life as people think.


    • There is professionalism & there is personal business. Let’s say you’re a sexual person but private & reserved, would you carry that on to the workplace & sexually harass or try to bag your boss or those under you? MJ was extremely professional & from what I’ve gathered he tests people out 1st before making the moves. & as Shana has said, MJ never lets anyone see the whole of him, it’s always in sections, sometimes an illusion even (my opinion though).


  7. So if he was not a virgin at 15, why did his TRUTHFUL sister Rebbie say he had to be FORCED to have sex at that time — and strongly indicated that it didn’t even happen THEN becuz he was IN SHOCK?

    And what did Lisa mean when she said he wasn’t “PHYSICALLY seductive?” Yes, I TOTALLY believe that Lisa LUSTED after him (for good reason), but I doubt that he even “got her” when she followed him to the Ends of The Earth on his tours! What do you people think? He was married, by then, to Debbie Rowe and LMP and her 2 kids had their OWN hotel suite.

    And I think Lisa knew she had messed up ROYALLY soon after the ink was DRY on the divorce decree and Debbie Rowe was WET! This is why her tail started hangin’ out with his mother, his sister, and him — she DEFINITELY wanted back in.

    And what is the NAME of this Harlem hussy who took 2, count ’em, TWO lie detector tests?! And where did YOU get this story from? Thank you very much.


    • Rebbie has never said Michael was forced to have sex. You’re twisiting a story you’ve heard and I’m doubtful about it actually being from Rebbie.

      If you want the truth about his sex life… ask Janet, LaToya, Randy, and Marlon. They know.

      How do you know she had her own hotel suite? I think she was saying he wasn’t physically her type. Have you seen her last husband though? The woman has no business talking about anyone being physically unappealing. A point of fact is that as far as I’ve seen Lisa has never been single, yet from 1996-1998 she wasn’t attached to anybody… except MJ who’s butt she was following around the world. Yes, I believe they were fucking.

      Antoinette Holmes is the name of the Harlem woman. Why is she a hussy? LOL!


      • I KNOW! You know what’s disappointing about MJ fans? They’re such haters of anyone not MJ! They’ll find any excuse to degrade anyone connected to him. Believe the Harlem woman or not, but a hussy? SHEESH!


      • I KNOW this was a “Rebbie” quote, but I can’t remember where I read it. Maybe it was a JRT book? Anyway, WHO the heck is James McField?

        And is Antoinette talking about Diana Ross? If so, yes, I believe her because I used to be SUSPICIOUS of Miss Ross myself when MJ appeard to be sexually confused and when he started LOOKING just like Diana and seemed to be OBSSESSED with her. It all makes PERFECTLY GOOD SENSE to me and I hope they will PROSECUTE Diana Ross for being such a NASTY GIRL!


        • It’s not a Rebbie quote, it’s something someone in JRT’s book claims Rebbie has said.

          I don’t believe Diana Ross ever inappropriately touched Michael. I don’t believe MJ would ever leave his kids to anyone like that.


        • 1st, if the quote is in fact verified that MJ said it. All that it says is that a young boy said he had an older famous gf who he was doing the nasty w/. & how many little boys do we know say such things? Plenty. So, again, even if it is true, keep in perspective that it gives no assurance that he in fact was sexually active w/ an older gf, just tat that was what he had said. & my guess would be Diana Ross as well, he’s had a crush on her since forever.


  8. I only called her that to be FUNNY! I was making a joke. Actually I BELIEVE her. So who does EVERYONE think was the guilty party?


  9. WHO is the personal/assistant secretary that Dave Stevens was talking about? Has she ever COME OUT and VERIFIED that it was HER in these sculptured sexual positions? WHO ELSE has SEEN these sculptures? Are they up for auction or in storage, or what?!


    • The post making the rounds on MJ’s history w/ women also mentions 1 f who was a secretary/assistant type but it doesn’t fit w/in the timeline of the 1 mentioned here. Also, if he had sculptures of this girl around his home & it was during Thriller, so that means it was when he was Encino w/ his family then? I just don’t see that unless they were all confined to his bedroom & it was at that time he was always hanging out w/ La Toya no? W/ that girl’s mouth, I think she would’ve mentioned it.


  10. So then WHY did you adamantly PROTEST when I called the Harlem woman a “hussy?” Are you FOR or AGAINST her? I’m confused!

    Also, is there anyway we can “reply” to the people on this post PRIVATELY? I’m not trying to discuss this with the entire world….yet.


    • I’m neither. I don’t know what to make of her info because there’s nothing else to go on.

      I 100% believe Diana didn’t do anything to him. As Michael Jackson has proved making those kind of claims based on something that makes “perfectly good sense” to some people doesn’t automatically mean it’s true.


    • Neither as well. I just don’t understand why people have to be so aggressively negative against some1 to the point of name calling. I was on an MJ forum & there was a pic of Cascio in 2009 as opposed to what he looked like during the Virgin Rcords signing. & I wasn’t even sure it was the same guy because he looked so different, & aged dramatically tbh. But a poster replied under his pic w/ ‘EEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWW!’ – I was surprised & I’ve noticed many MJ fans following suit. I’m just getting tired of that demeaning type of bashing, especially superficial ones like the ex. I posted.

      I’m different from you Rock, I believe that something did happen between them but not at the time period given by the Harlem woman, at a much later date.


      • I believe something happened between Diana and Michael, but nothing inappropriate or illegal.


  11. I AGREE that just because something SEEMS plausible or possible does NOT make it true, so I apologize to Diana Ross IF she’s innocent. This Ms. Holmes was supposed to be making a book, TWINKLE TWINKLE. Did she? Also, what about Jermaine’s book, LEGACY? Did he ever write it? Is Ian Halperin’s movie REALLY going to come out or has it been squashed? Thanks.


  12. I doubt anyone outside of the Jackson family (and even them) will ever know everything about MJ sex life. I do think that there is a big difference between sexual relations and relationships. It seems as if LMP and MJ relationship was the later. I also think most of her comments around 2003 came out of a very angry place of a person who didn’t get what she wants (MJ). I doubt that was something LMP was used to.
    I also think that for a long time, MJ was conflicted with himself because of the way he was raised by his mother and his need not to be like his father.


    • His brothers and his sisters do know about some of his relationships, especially his earlier ones and MJ did talk to them about sex.


  13. Liat, were you saying that Lisa & Michael just had sexual relations but did NOT have a relationship? This is what I think it ENDED UP being — because when Lisa STOPPED having sex with him, it became a sex-LESS marriage and MJ didn’t know how to overcome the rejection, so he just left. They both HAD what they wanted–each other. But then she didn’t give him what he REALLY wanted (a baby) and he didn’t give her what she REALLY wanted (full cooperation). Excuse me, but his sweet mother was WONDERFUL and extremely forgiving with Joe and Joe refused to “physically” leave the family. Michael & Lisa could have LEARNED something from his parents! You marry for better or WORSE. NEITHER Lisa nor Michael had the patience to “deal” with the marriage when it got “tough” and they needed to compromise, but each of them was too stubborn. It seems Lisa was willing to try it again, but by his own admission, Michael had hardened his heart. It sucks because they made a beautifully romantic storybook couple and when they divorced, they cheated each other and the fans!


  14. I had no idea JRT was writing ANOTHER book on MJ! What will THIS one be called and when is it due out? The man needs a NEW hobby already!


    • He’s updating his Magic&Madness book, he updates it all the time like Nena said, just going with whatever the public’s POV is at the time.

      It’s being released in November I think, he’s promising lots of info about how the love between Lisa and MJ never died… LOL!


      • Releasing it in November to coincide with the release of the posthumous MJ album for publicity! That guy needs to just leave it alone.


  15. OK, so why does Antoinette Holmes have an attorney?
    Where is her book?
    She got two lie-detector tests to prove she’s not lieing? OK, but NOW what?
    Rock, are you saying that whatever happened between Mike & Di took place after he was a grown man then, right?


    • That’s what I believe.

      I don’t have any opinion on Antoinette’s claims.


    • We don’t know anything about Holmes or what she said besides that bit up there ^^^ & that’s it, nothing more really. I don’t think anyone has followed through if it’s true or not, tabloid made up or not.


  16. could someone please google MICHAEL JACKSON SCIENTOLOGY OR MICHAEL JACKSON SCIENTOLOGIST read what it has to say, then come back and tell us about one woman in his life.


    • Huh?

      Michael isn’t a Scientologist and Scientology was actually a strain on their relationship.

      Mike has had other women before and since Lisa Marie… believe whatever conspiracy you need to believe though


      • I think he’s referring to claims that the Scientology Church instigated LMP’s divorce from Danny to marry MJ. That they wanted LMP to recruit MJ into their fold. Personally, I’m more interested in finding out if that scientology test whatever that was supposedly given to MJ where ‘they asked him what his weakness was, & he relpied: WOMEN’ – if tht’s true! LOL!;P


  17. OK, I’ll look up Scientology and MJ; but all I know is if he had REMAINED a FAITHFUL Jehovah’s Witness and Lisa Marie had BECOME a FAITHFUL Jehovah’s Witness, he wouldn’t be DEAD and they wouldn’t be DIVORCED! I LOVE Michael–but he did get a little too BIG for his own britches, poor baby.


  18. First, let me thank you profusely for this blog… I’ve spent hours at a time here and truly get GIDDY when their are new updates. Please never stop!

    This is such a powerful document of his life; it chips away at the enigma and let’s us see the man. Thank you for this!

    I have a minor question for you… where did the following quote from Janetcome from? Is there a link to more of that interview??

    Again, greatest appreciation to ya…. incredible work!

    CeeBee

    To Janet:

    DECEMBER 8 | In an interview Janet reveals that Michael was the one who taught her about the birds and the bees. She turned to her brother for an explanation after walking in on their parents Joseph and Katherine having sex. Janet says: “I didn’t know what I was watching. My brother and I were very close at that time, so he was the one who told me”.


    • Hey you’re welcome, glad you understand why this site is here 🙂

      It’s from a Vibe Interview in 2006,

      Janet would light up and smile every time she talked about her brother, even though it was clear she was still burdened by his 2005 trial. One of her most interesting revelations was that Michael taught her about sex. Here are some excerpts:

      Didn’t you once walk in on your parents having sex when you were younger?
      Yeah, but I didn’t know what I was watching. I couldn’t figure out what the hell it was. And the horrible thing about it was that I should have known about it way before then, because I was 11 or 12. But I had missed all my sex education classes.

      So how did you find out what was going on?
      My brother Mike and I were very close at that time, so he was the one who told me. Now don’t forget, he’s very young at this point too, so he’s teaching me whatever it is he knows about it.

      Can you imagine a situation where you’d have an in-depth sex talk with Michael now?
      No. [Laughs] I think he’d be too embarrassed.


      • Wow…thank you!! Man, it really is the details… tiny details, one on top of the other, really broadens the picture. I love Janet’s tid bits… she drops some great ones.

        “My brother Mike and I were very close at that time, so he was the one who told me. Now don’t forget, he’s very young at this point too, so he’s teaching me whatever it is he knows about it.”

        Hmmm… he wasn’t *that* young Janet…:-D. Wonder how detailed he got with this? And man, would Joseph ever leave Katherine alone??!! lol!

        Thank you again. You’re awesome! Now on to a hunt for vibe 2006.

        CeeBee


  19. “Jackson himself has followed no particular religion since dissolving his long association with the Jehovah’s Witnesses in 1987. Still, before recording HIStory, the singer, at his wife’s urging, went to Hollywood’s Scientology center to take some initial tests. “She thought it would be helpful for him,” says Taraborrelli, “because he had a lot of anger in him.” Jackson, however, never became more seriously involved with Scientology.” People Magazine February 05, 1996 Vol. 45 No. 5


    • Ok, so this is the supposed test where MJ said his weakness were women?


  20. I love this blog too! Keep it up. I finally have found people that are interested in the little things about his life. That was hilarious about JOe wont leave Katherine alone!

    Poor thing. I wonder did she use birth control eventually or if she just naturally stopped giving birth?


  21. Hey PYT, I wouldn’t EVER refer to Katherine Jackson as “poor thing!” In the book that she wrote she told how the entire family just LOVED kids. She had them for herself, for Joe, and for the older kids who would always welcomed and delighted in another little sibling arriving — and if it had not been for these beautiful and talented children, there would have been no J5 and no MJ and no Janet because those 2 especially were the last ones on the scene, ya know…..and KJ is DEFINITELY not a “poor thing” in any FINANCIAL sense of the word either, of course. I’m sure she had a GREAT time making those babies with Joe and that’s why nothing he does, it seems, ever makes her divorce him to this day. In her book she even said that she had VERY EASY pregnancies and sometimes didn’t even know she was pregnant. Her kids were ‘fruits of her belly’ and she never looked forward to the day when ANY of them would leave home. She is TRULY a “MOTHER to the MAX” — and this is why they all love and revere her so — and why Michael left his 3 dear children to her!!! She’s a real peach and she raised a WONDERFUL family!


  22. Girl, I think your blog is my favorite past time! I don’t know where you get these things you post here! What’s more, I don’t know how I can spread word on this blog! I post it on forums but the posters just ignore the links & just respond to the titlehead! I love that painting of the sea nymphs, wow! I still can’t figure out that assistant/secretary w/ sculptures of her back in Encino. This blog makes me ponder & rack my brain on so many different points, I can’t make heads or tail of it sometimes!


  23. Just so you know the Siedah thing, he actually kissed her on the cheek. I read it in a Billboard #1s book or something. She said that she’d stuck out her hand for a handshake and he pulled her to him and kissed her on the cheek. Everywhere else I’ve read they’ve ommitted the cheek part.


    • Ah, I have that quote… I thought it might’ve been another kiss. Sounded cute if it was true.


    • That cheek kiss is up on YT titled ‘Michael’s Big Ego’. Something’s wrong with YT, almost every YT vid I had access to previously have now been blocked by Sony in my country, WHY IS THAT? Why my country of all countries?!


  24. OK, great blog! But these are my questions: Where was MJ in the picture on the upper-right-hand side? Did anybody ever find out if the central nymph was LMP? What happened to the sexual sculptures of the beautiful assistant? Can it be VERIFIED that the original title to Rock With You was I WANT TO EAT YOU UP?! I find that extremely hard to believe! Did MJ and Alonzo ever perform the Dirty Diana magic trick? Was that awful comment from Malcome and Eddie’s, Eddie Griffin? Was it said on t.v., in a mag, or where? Who is Ahmed Elatab? Is Teddy Riley making a book about him and MJ? What song was he referring to? What does RRT mean? Anybody ever seen the Billie Jean sketch? All of this just means to me that MJ was finally, at last, GROWING UP sexually….and I do believe that LMP made a MAN out of him in this way!


    • Why do you keep changing your username here and then acting brand new? LOL!

      The picture on the blog is from a History concert.

      The nymph painting was commisioned pre allegation in 1993… MJ/Lisa only really started hotting up after it. He didn’t buy the portrait once he married Lisa, which makes me believe it wasn’t her.

      Yes, the original title was I Want To Eat You Up, it’s been known since forever.

      No, they never had a chance to rehearse DD for TII.

      Who is Malcome? Eddie Griffin made his comment on his comedy sketch show, I included the link.

      Ahmad is a kid who visited NL at different times from 1997-2003, his interviews are easy to find.

      I have no idea if Teddy will write a book. RTT = Remember The Time.

      No, Hoefflin’s never shared his sketch.

      MJ wasn’t finally growing up sexually… he had always been a man sexually. Lisa didn’t make a man out of anyone, MJ was the one who made the moves on her (a married woman who’d been around the block, so clearly not a shy virgin of a creature), not the other way around. Stephanie had said he was “all man” back in 1977, what do you think she meant by that? You seem entirely clouded by the media’s perception of him.


      • Hey Kitty, I’ve actually seen that painting of MJ on lake surrounded by 5/6 nymphs. Don’t remember if 1 looked like LMP though. LOL! But imagine being LMP in a painting w/ your husband where you’re merely one & not a significant one at that, of the many other naked women surrounding his crown & glory? I’ll look for the painting & post the link here once I do!


        • It’s already up there, bb!

          Do people think the one he’s leaning into is supposed to be Lisa? I think her skin colour says otherwise ;)…


      • LOL! I can’t tell other than her skintone as there’s a watermark right on her face! But the one at the back, the one not getting much attention, the one w/ her head tilted looks like LMP no? LOL! I’m soo bad! I just don’t seem to want her to get any good MJ stuff! LMAO!


  25. *SIGH* What can I say? Love your new added entries here!

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    Snippet 2. Did you know? Michael owns a private bachelor pad in LA which he uses exclusively to entertain female friends
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    ^^^^SH!T! Mike has a pad just for the ladies! You go Mike!

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    During production of Bad Album, 1986-7

    “He has a split personality. He is very bright & very self-destructive. He has an extremely high IQ & a terrible temper. He is childish but domineering. He is rich & powerful, but also an insecure child. So he can be angelically sweet or cuttingly cold.”
    ————

    ^^^^ Girl do you know where this came from or who said it? Because I had read quotes from a guy who supposedly wrote the Inquirer letter & I didn’t believe it was the same guy because of certain things he said w/c made me doubt. the guy said that MJ was very passionate & somehow saw passionate intense fights as ‘being in love’. & that in every relationship he had, they would have intense fights, shouting, things being thrown, etc etc. & I think the same was said of Blanket’s mom w/c at the time raised my eyebrow as this was when his kids were fairly young. I just couldn’t imagine MJ being like that w/ his kids around. But if he had a bachelors pad & was in fact temperamental, those quotes by the supposed guy have me thinking now. I didn’t save the quotes as I didn’t believe it at the time & just dismissed it. Now, I’ll have to go about trying to find them once again!

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    James Debarge told Tony Castro, “He claims that once it rained and Michael stripped and danced naked around the pool. His mother would scream from the house, ‘Put your clothes on, Michael. Your father will be home soon.’
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    ^^^^Another wow! I read what she wolf said about this w/c made me pause but I couldn’t get my head around it you know? & now this? You know what I like about you girl in all our discussions, you set out to prove them w/ added posts or quotes, I like that!

    ———
    The Free-Lance Star, July 22, 1972

    We ask him about singing love songs at a youngish age, and he says “It’s not odd for me to sing love songs because I know what I’m singing about.” This brings laughs and snickers from his brothers. Jackie says, teasingly, “He gets really deeply involved.” Michael defends himself, “There’s no age limit to love.”
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    ^^^This is to all those people who say MJ & his songs/dancing are 2 different personas!


    • I know what you’re talking about, it’s the tea from LBoogiebee, I have it all saved. I wasn’t gonna include it because she got into fights on fanboards and believes people like Romonica (lol) so it made her tea seem less credible… but I’ve realized that just ’cause she’s a nut doesn’t mean what she was told isn’t part way true. I’ll add it.

      SheWolf is very very very very credible. If she says something, believe it.

      Right? I hate when people try to take away his music and performance from him and credit his acting or say it’s all borrowed experiences. His personality type actually thrives on using his experiences and turning them into something meaningful. People let Madonna and Prince sing and dance from experience but Michael has to be denied that like he’s someone who has no idea about himself, pisses me off, it really does.


      • Maybe you could put it up on rumors? I think I read that on Positively Michael, don’t remember though. Maybe you can get in touch w/ her just in case she had a few more?

        It irritates me as well. People who think the MJ on stage isn’t the real MJ, I think the opposite. i believe the MJ on stage is the Real deal. He has always said he was most comfortable on stage, that if he could do that forever & stay there forever – that was his wish. He also said that he loses himself on stage, how much more real can you get? You lose yourself to the point where you don’t think or worry about pretenses, the media, etc.


        • I’ve got a lot more stuff to add to the Rumours, I keep finding more and more I forgot to add… and there’s some things I’m sitting on ’cause I’m wary about one person getting hasstled and I’m wary about another one’s stories getting out just yet… too many people lately have been using stories that have come from other people (even Honeydipp) and then using it in their own twisted pretend fake tea, it’s really starting to bug me…

          I absolutely believe the stage/his music was where he could be totally himself, he’s always said it was where he felt the most safe. Yet people believe the guy on Oprah is who he is 24/7, even when he’s said over and over and over again that he hates interviews…


      • Kitty, I see you posted the scientology audit thing! I wish I could find an article or something on it though! Maybe you can post on the rumors section, LMP possibly stalking him after the trial?

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        too many people lately have been using stories that have come from other people (even Honeydipp)
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        ^^^ Wht do you mean by this Kitty? That people have been using Honeydipp’s stories as their own or is Honeydipp doing the stealing? I had heard that Honeydipp’s Beyonce/Paris thing resembled a fanfic from the KOP?


        • So many interesting things seem to have been originally posted somewhere online and then vanished when forums switch over and die etc… I got so much to add to the rumours!

          Yeah, I’ve seen people start using Honeydipp’s tea and claiming it as their own. It bugs me, even if Honey is lying it doesn’t help when crazies start running around with their own weird Beyonce/Diana Ross stories LOL!

          The KOP story, someone said that there’s a fanfic where Paris walks in on MJ having sex with a girl but the girl isn’t Beyonce. People used that as enough of a means to discredit her, but I don’t personally think it does…


      • Oh girl, just to let you know, the fanfic is of Beyonce & MJ, believe me! It’s a very well-written fanfic, in fact 1 of the best if not the best I ever read! I think you might find it of interest, it was written back in 2007 w/ a girl named Sasha(Beyonce) & MJ – http://sequinsandchickengrease.blogspot.com/2008/12/60-sisterly-concern.html – it’s unfinished though. JayZ makes an appearance as well!


    • Sorry, just caught this comment.

      It was in an article written during the Bad era, unfortunately just an “unnamed source,” and even though I detest those it sounded truthful so I added it. 😉

      That’s something that makes me go all Marge Simpson humming over the Blanket tea… I’ve heard MJ had a temper, that he could raise his voice (rarely though), and that he would let it be known that you’d crossed a line with him… but it was mostly by his silences. He’d cut people off and out of his life like they were nothing, he wouldn’t talk to people when they were right in front of him if he was mad, he’d tut and be demanding, but I’ve never eve heard about him being verbally argumentative, like yelling shouting with someone for longer than a minute, I’ve never come across that. But it *may* have been an on off relationship and that’s where the person talking about says there was fighting, MJ did a lot of on-off relationships 😉 but the actual fighting with each other… doesn’t sit right…


      • Ahhhh…MJ reminds me of Filipinos! LOL! We’re like that too! Well, Koreans are like that too actually, the silent treatment thing?

        But is it just me or does MJ’s ruthlessness come across as a turn on? LOL! He reminds me sometimes of Vito or Michael Corleone from the Godfather, SCARILY SEXY!

        Hmmmm….I guess MJ’s silent treatment when angered is a big contention for that supposed writer of the Inquirer post then. Have you tried getting in touch w/ Lboogibee? try to feel her powers of intuition?


      • Girl, you said that you’d post LBoogiebee’s promo guy on Blanket’s mom & MJ? Where’s it at girl? I can’ find it!


        • LOL I was trying to find a link to where she originally posted it but I can’t, here’s what she said anyway:


          Blanket’s mother- The promo guy stated that MJ met the mother in 1999 and had a two year, off and on relationship with her. The woman is not an American but lives in the US. He stated that she is very attractive, very smart, light skinned black woman. She is multi-racial and considers herself a black woman. The age group of the woman was between mid to late 30s. She is a career woman who is quite successful, independent, has her own money, etc. She was Michael’s type of woman, successful, atrractive and wild – sexually. Michael likes his woman to be wild in that way because he was that way himself. The promotional guy stated that Michael and the mother had a crazy relationship. They would fight, i.e. throw things at one another, scream, and kick one another. The promo guy even stated that anyone that ever got close to those two knew how crazy their fights can get. Michael was just like his nutty father, Joseph, when it came to being unfaithful with women. He did cheat on the mother with other women. Michael had a lot of liasions, according to the promotional guy, when Michael was making Invincible and when he was with the mother. Remember the Yvette story – she stated that she had a fling with MJ in 2000. Well, if she is telling the truth, that means that when they had this fling, it was around the time MJ was doing the CD and seeing the mother.

          So, when the mother found out that she was pregnant with Blanket, she did not want to patch things up with Michael. The promotional guy stated that the mother did not strike him as a maternal person and that she had joint custody of the child, that she hired a nanny to help with the child but he was not sure, at that time, if she was hands on with the child. He also stated that while Michael was with the mother, he also had a liasion with a very attractive woman from that Islands (Trinidad). SMDH. He also state that MJ tends equate fighting with passion. Yeah…..


      • Sorry for being so relentless with LBoogiebee’s post girl, it was driving me crazy! Thanks for this! I need to think about this & let it seep & settle in my brain for a bit though! Didn’t LBoogiebee have other posts in connection to this or am I recalling it wrong?
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        “He also stated that while Michael was with the mother, he also had a liason with a very attractive woman from that Islands (Trinidad). SMDH.”
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        ^^^SHIT! You know that poster Blount who pretended to be MJ’s psychiatrist? She also stated something about the Trinidad girl but she mixed it up, she said that Blanket’s mom is a Black girl from Trinidad! LOL!


        • LOLLLLLLLLLL! Sounds like someone was trying to steal other people’s stuff and mix it into one crazy thing. She reminds me of that girl who came in here claiming Mike would hang out with a guy called “the psychiatrist” or something. Too many mentally ill people.

          I do remember hearing something about a woman from the Islands that supposedly talked to a journalist in 2004/5…

          This is what she said, basically Blanket’s mother broke up with him because she found out someone had given him a blow job:

          LOL. Why are you guys doing this to me? LOL. Let me see…… Blanklet’s mother left, according to what the promotional guy stated because of the women. Mike had a lot of liasions when he was with Blanklet’s mother. Now, MJ did something to some woman that a producer walked into a room and saw. The mother found out and ended it with Mike. That is all I am going to state

          Coincidentally enough someone else on another forum claimed to have spoken to Rodney Jerkins… who said MJ had had a blow job from a fan at his studio….


      • Yeah, i heard about the blowjob story from LSA maybe? The Jerkins I think I read that from KOP? So, this brings a whole lot of meaning to the initials of Billie Jean huh? LOL! I’m laughing now, but I swear if MJ did that to me with other women, I would’ve killed him! LOL!

        Now we know where all that SWAG came from!;P

        Oh, I sent the screencap through your email btw!


        • The blowjob story was from LBoogie posting on LSA, the Jerkins story was from KOP, yup.

          LOL I hadn’t thought about that 😀 Billie Jean is a funny song… you know he says it has a lot of truth to it. 😉 He also first wrote it in 1981 and it was entitled “Not My Lover”… except he confesses in the song that she was…

          Thanks! I’ll check now.


        • Reading the other post & her description of the promo guy, who do you think it could be?

          -Black
          -thought of MJ like a son
          -worked for the Jackson family in the early 70s & worked exclusively for MJ in the early 80s
          -retired in 2003

          It can’t be Bob Jones! It sounds like Bill Bray except for when he retired & that his not a promo guy. Who could it have been?


          • Oh no way would it be Bob Jones… but it could have been someone he worked with.

            I was going to say someone like Steve Manning but he still works for the MJ family and he was very close to them in the 70s so his info about that would have been first hand and it doesn’t sound that way to me (he sounds hazy on the 70s stuff).

            You ever hear of Pete Bennett? He’s a white Italian guy, reminds me of Frank Dileo, and he worked as a Promoter for MJ during the 70s and then 80s… we’d have to find people like him. Hmm. Let me see if there’s any way to search for that kind of thing…


      • Pete Bennett? IDK, since he is white. The poster said he’s Black & he does sound like someone who would be Black. Ethnic-Cultural expressions you know?

        Also, notice the implication of the breakup sex? Too raunchy for her to retell it? Was MJ way too rough, you think that’s what she meant? Also, she said that the promo guy talked to another MJ fan, have you tried contacting LBoogie & asked who the other fan was? She mentioned she posted things on the KOP board? Hmm… I’ll go look for whatever I an find there.

        Oh, I never mentioned this, keep forgetting but just fyi, the earliest date we have for that letter is back in April 2004.


        • That’s a good point about the other poster she spoke to…

          I don’t think it is Pete but I do think it’s a Pete-type of guy. It’d be someone Pete would know of…

          I actually found a link to the old Enquirer messageboard, I was so happy with myself… of course the Enquirer board had robots which blocked the site being saved so 😦

          LBoogie is just a bit prudish LOL It was a blowjob, maybe she didn’t think MJ was the kind to get that kind of favour whilst in a supposed relationship in a studio? I remember I didn’t believe it when I first heard but I’ve reconsidered my views on certain things…


      • “I actually found a link to the old Enquirer messageboard, I was so happy with myself… of course the Enquirer board had robots which blocked the site being saved so :(”
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        ^^^ Do you have the link Kitty? Can I check it? I thought the enquirer board’s defunct now? I tried to look for it myself in the past – ***SIGH!***

        ——–
        LBoogie is just a bit prudish LOL It was a blowjob, maybe she didn’t think MJ was the kind to get that kind of favour whilst in a supposed relationship in a studio? I remember I didn’t believe it when I first heard but I’ve reconsidered my views on certain things…
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        ^^^When she said, ‘How they broke up ….. what they did was nasty!’ —- was the raunchy in reference to Blanket’s mom? & if so, it doesn’t seem to mesh well with me that she said ‘how they broke up…’, it seemed that they had breakup sex & that it was raunchy, not just a BJ.

        I’m starting to reconsider it as well, I need to find out more about it though. Bec reading it last year compared to reading it now, knowing or reading a lot more about MJ puts it in a whole new perspective no? It doesn’t seem to be as shocking as when I 1st heard it. LOL! So does that mean we’re getting used to the DAWG that is Michael?!


        • It is defunct, I found a link to it from a website from 2002 on the waybackmachine. I was hoping they’d also caught it on that site but they haven’t. I was bummed 😦

          I don’t think I saved it ’cause it really didn’t work so there wasn’t much I could do with it, it was just a html link.

          She explained on LSA the “nasty” thing she was talking about was a blowjob that MJ had from another girl. She didn’t make any allusions to anything else that I remember.

          LOL I’m at the same place. When I first heard so much of this I was like 0_0 and didn’t believe a word… but too many people are saying too many similar things and I’ve got people who keep talking and they keep saying the same thing… stuff just adds up. People need to let the Peter Pan thing die.

          Leonard Rowe was a promoter…


      • How old is Leonard Rowe? I’ll try to check with people I know & get back to you girl!

        LOL! I just read that body analysis of LMP & MJ! OMG! Very very incredibly SPOT ON!


        • Girl, id LBoogie LBee from the KOP?


        • Ish, it is her! Man, I had a nasty interaction with that girl, she made a thread on recommended books & 1 of the books was Theresa Gonsales (sp?). I was surprised & asked her if she thought Theresa was credible (& mentioned the 2x she had sex w/ MJ on her book) & how was the book. She pms me accusing me of being racist be I most likely believed MJ slept with both Debbie & LMP, but why not Theresa? Through it all, by the end, she started calling me even more of a racist bec I should know as much about American history as another American. & the whacky part is that she kept harassing me through the pms & comments on my page. The girl is a bit unstable.


          • LOL yeah she IS nutty but I do believe she was in contact with someone in 2004.

            She strikes me as one of those people who’s more keen to make MJ heterosexual and as someone who liked Black women so they cling to every story that comes along (she also befriended Romonica and defends her story to this day LOL)

            Because of her nuttiness most people dismissed the info she posted… but a lot of it seems to have truth, but JUST the info, none of her own personal opinions on the subject…. her own opinion on things and Theresa and Romonica? She can keep 😉


        • She was also pretty paranoid, she kept asking e why I wanted a book review or her opinion on the book.


      • Kitty, doesn’t Steve Manning’s words remind you of the letter words? IDK.


        • I thought about Steve but Steve would know way more than the letter though. Steve is like the Gatekeeper of Gatekeepers.

          He said he was writing a book about MJ last year, considering the troubles the BG and everyone who wants to write a pro-MJ book is having I hope he’s still working on it. Steve is one of the people who really knows MJ and specifically relationships he had back in the 70s/80s. I wish that man had a twitter/facebook/myspace. He’s one of the people I trust implicitly…


      • Hmmm… I would certainly look forward if he wrote positive book about MJ. Fans frustrate me sometimes, sometimes they’re more detrimental too MJ than not really. I mean everytime they oppose a positive book bec for them it’s an invasion of his privacy, but come on, we need to be realistic here! Books, tabloids, tvs are 80-90% anti MJ, the only way to counter that is to fight guns with guns! We need more positive or non-biased MJ books, documentaries, media coverage, etc & you’re not going to get that lying down, doing & saying nothing to defend the man! I believe TII would’ve garnered serious oscar nomination consideration if the TINIs & Kists didn’t boycott hard against it. In fact the loss profits that the estate could’ve benefited from is due to the fans themselves. I believe the estate & Ortega were hoping for a best pic in order to fulfill MJ’s last wish. Same wish since he was 10.

        I have some tea for you btw, I was talking to someone who knew someone close to the Jackson family & the family have a suspect for who could be Blanket’s mom. & that the family are not sure about Bhatti being a bio son, but they consider him part of the family & have chosen to believe that he could very well be MJ’s bio son w/c is why he was sitting with the family at the memorial. That’s all I got, lol! Not saying I believe Bhatti’s a bio son, just that the family apparently have chosen to err that he could very well be.


        • You know what though? The letter seems to imply that the guy knows a lot, just keeping certain reservations. The problem though with the added info we have from LBee is that it comes from a very very UNRELIABLE source, & I’ve seen discussions of other posters with her & by my own experience, she tends to inject her poor comprehension skills on it. So the info from her I’m sure is quite tarnished. Since, I’m not in speaking terms with her, maybe you could contact her & ask her who the other MJ fan was? & maybe grill her a bit, lol! Be careful & tactful though, she’s a paranoid one!


          • The thing about the letter is I know of one relationship he seems to skip… if he’d known MJ in the 70s he should’ve known about this relationship but he doesn’t… that’s why I think it’s someone who worked with MJ in the 80s but had heard things. I still trust and believe in The Letter but there’s no one person who knows everything, even though a lot of people believe they do…

            I agree about LBoogie… I’m a bit wary of her LOL But I’ll send her a message…


        • Fans frustrate me sometimes, sometimes they’re more detrimental too MJ than not really.

          I agree so hard and it kills me. I get the feeling a lot of fans are scared about what they might find about MJ – they might not say it or vocalize it but I think they don’t want to deal with the reality of who he was… they want to keep him as they see him right now… it almost seems like they say “don’t tell me things about him I might not want to hear”

          We need more positive or non-biased MJ books, documentaries, media coverage, etc & you’re not going to get that lying down, doing & saying nothing to defend the man!

          EXACTLY

          Bhatti isn’t MJ’s son… he’s the son of Riz and Pia. It’ll come out eventually… if they think Omer could be his son they really didn’t seem to know much about him at all…

          I’m so curious about B’s mother…

          Thanks fo sharing though 🙂


      • “The thing about the letter is I know of one relationship he seems to skip… if he’d known MJ in the 70s he should’ve known about this relationship but he doesn’t… ”

        ——–
        ^^^Girl, spill, what relationship & who?%P


      • Or, it’s possible that the promo guy was either being reserved only or maybe even gave hints that were misconstrued by LBee or flew over her head.

        Oh, apparently the promo guy’s username on the board was ‘filfthy’? What does filfty mean?


  26. This was great! Loved every bit of it, except the thought that MJ would never be interested in someone who wasn’t rich and famous.


    • It makes me sad but I guess he’d been burned one too many time by girls who just wanted him for money/fame.


  27. Please explain to me, Blanket’s mom, cuz now, I’m gettin’ confused. Many people I’ve talked to are now sayin’ B’s mom was unaware of Blanket & was just a surrogate? But what ’bout that Frank Casico or whomever it was letter from Nat Enq? Was that all lies?!! If MJ didn’t want to have a child to old fashion way w/Blanket’s mom & just decided to have a 3rd child? What else does that mean now, on MJ & his sexuality? I thought all the hard work & signs were of MJ bein’ possible sexual to other women besides LMP, from the people I talk to, what once was a long list has became a very short list-to a point MJ is becomin’ to sound asexual again & that brothers me & confuses me? What’s real & what’s not?


    • Frank Cascio says he didn’t write that letter… I don’t understand the rest of your post. Why would it make him asexual if he used a surrogate for Blanket? Maybe he just didn’t want the mess that came with Debbie Rowe and once again he didn’t believe he had any other choices because he wasn’t in a good enough relationship?


      • Sorry if you don’t understand to rest of my post I didn’t mean to confuse you or upset you if I did! But what I’m tryin’ to get at, even though I do understand what your gettin’ at too! But why didn’t MJ just adopt then, since that was always a dream for him too! I do remember hearin’ that Frank said he didn’t write that letter, I’ve even heard it was from a Guard or somethin’ but I just used his name, cuz I remember some people were still sayin’ it was him-so that confused me, so I just said Frank that’s why I said ‘Frank or “whomever”-I just remember someone wrote it or said it!


        • It sounded like he wanted his own kids, for one, and for two, maybe because of the Jordy allegations adoption might have been too hard for him. There may be other factors we have no idea about.


        • Thanx, for explainin’. I have thought ’bout that too! That he really did want his own kids & after the “allgations” the adoptin’ thing made it hard! I’m done…that’s for clearin’ up things for me. MJ just had sooo much goin’ on w/him & I find sooo hard to keep things up. People like you are the only ones I have to go to to help me understand, I can’t go to Di.Ross & sure as HEll not going to LMP to help me understand him. The women in his life are as quiet as his was even though I do understand that, I’m a fan who has always been curious over his life & find his sex life interestin’-right or wrong I can’t help it!


        • MJ was an extremely private man, any fans opinion of his sex or romantic life is based on hearsay, articles, interviews, etc. So it isn’t surprising that many fans have differing opinions on it. Personally I believe in that LETTER 100% & I would follow that as I believe MJ did in fact have a relationship w/ blanket’s mother & impregnated her. Don’ look to other people to tell you what’s true or no, read & research for yourself as we all have opinions & only ONLY an insider would ever really know about MJ’s sex life, not us fans who are outsiders.


  28. You don’t have a Blanket’s mom page of info & timeline of her do you? I mean it’s not big deal if you do or don’t, I’m just makin’ sure I haven’t looked over anything you do have!That’s all!


  29. But what I was gettin’ at on the whole asexual part were people (who I thought were MJ experts) not you of course I don’t mean you cuz you have continously & endlessly made sure to proof he is not! I mean others who change their stories & say one moment ooh yeah he & nanny grace were intimate & then change or if they are not changin’ their story than they are sayin’ no to ’bout every female that ever came assoicated to him-I mean a long list from a girl named Yvette to many others they’ll say, ‘Well no, I don’t think he did anything with her.’ Those are the ones who confuse me & upset me. I really do try to respect everyone’s opinions but I want to try & understand them as well, the way they think & feel! It’s like some just never would want to imagine MJ with anybody or only want to accept a few! & that’s what upsets me, why feel & think that why? That’s what I mean!


  30. Doesn’t everyone KNOW that MJ used a surrogate to get Blanket only because Debbie Rowe could not physically have more children after complications with delivering Paris.


  31. You are merely assuming surrogacy, while I’m assuming that he had a relationship & had gotten Blanket’s mother pregnant.


    • Thanx nenabunena, I think you got somethin’ there on all that you have said over fans & tryin’ to find the truth over MJ & that letter plus ’bout Blanket’s mom! I think you are totally right!


  32. Quincy Jones, Thriller sessions 81-82

    Hey, I know this story was in both Q’s autobiography, but also in Bruce Swedien’s book “In the Studio with Michael Jackson”. Bruce’s says that even though MJ was hiding behind the console he was still peaking. LOL. Interesting tidbit to add.


  33. I do believe Blanket’s mom was a paid surrogate not someone Michael was in a relationship with.

    Debbie Rowe had a professional relationship with Michael and agreed to have his kids as a “gift”, even though allegedly millions exchanged hands during that transaction, maybe it was alimony. We know they never lived together, so that was not a “natural organic” loving relationship. It was a business deal between to consenting adults and there is nothing wrong with that. He wanted someone intelligent with a particular genetic makeup to bear his children. Again nothing wrong with that either, people make these decisions all the time.

    But it breaks my heart to think that Michael was in this warm loving passionate relationship with Blanket’s mom and she accidentally got pregnant and Michael talked her out of the pleasure of mothering her own child. I can not imagine Michael would have chosen to have a relationship with a woman who was that weak spirited, that could not handle his fame and give up her child to him just because she did not want to be famous or publically linked to Michael or a woman that would walk away from her own child for whatever reason. I don’t think a mother would do that, unless there was a contract in place prior to conception and money exhanged hands.

    If they were in a normal healthy loving relationship where they both mutually respected and loved each other, I am sure they would have worked out some arrangement where she kept her child and maybe not make it public knowledge that MMichael had a 3rd child. Blanket would have grown up just fine in the surburbs and not know a life of covering his face in public.

    I do understand these issues are very complicated because of the inequality of power in such a relationship. I still do not think that a mother would walk away from her child unless it had been agreed upon before.

    Another possibility is that something happened to Blankets mother after his birth rendering her incapable of caring for Blanket, hence Michael inherited his son. Who knows?

    For me it makes sense that Blanket was concieved by a chosen surogate because Michael wanted more kids immediately. And I am glad he did make that decision, at least he got to enjoy them before is untimely death, even if only for a little while.


  34. What are we to think of this Ian Halperin movie coming out on June 25 about MJ? Is he going to LIE on Michael like he did in the book or does this PROMISE to be some kind of honorable tribute? I’m so nervous about it! I certainly don’t want Michael’s image and legacy to continue to be blighted again & again!


  35. BTW, I think Blanket may very well be Blanket’s brother…or cousin. The Jackson Family have practically adopted him as their own too! Why? Becuz Omer & Blankie are blood relatives — I am assuming, of course.


    • He isn’t even in the trust fund, can this be dropped now? He’s performing on cruise ships and no longer lives at Hayvenhurst.

      Omer has no blood relation to anyone in the Jackson family. Blanket and Omer having had long dark hair at one point does not make them blood relations.


  36. CORRECTION: Blanket may very well be OMER’S brother..or cousin.


  37. I also think that Debbie Rowe may be a LESBIAN and that’s one BIG reason she doesn’t want any motherly duties raising her own children. She dreads the spotlight that would shine outting her own lifestyle. This is just a guess.


    • She already had the spotlight on her for their marriage and just being Debbie Rowe. I doubt she’d care if people thought she was a lesbian.


      • LOL, that’s one I haven’t heard before. LSA tea spill yestrday, just caught up. =]


        • That tea sounds whack 😦


        • LOL true. I think it was probably someone that’s been reading the posts so they’d have some similarities.

          The kissing Jodie Foster thing really threw me off for sure. But I wish I could believe the rest though *sigh*


  38. How close was Mariah Carey and Michael Jackson?


    • I don’t think they were that close but that were friendly. She said that talked and had “all kinds of conversations,” and she dedicated her last album to him (I think).


      • Another thing, did Liz Taylor confirm that Michael Jackson is gay? Not that I have anything against gays, I’m just a little confused with her tweet.


        • No, she didn’t confirm that at all. She just attacked Klein for being a douchebag.


  39. […] This post was Twitted by _Kristiana_ […]


  40. Wow, this was really interesting for me….
    I write “mikegasms” you see, erotic fantasies about Michael, and it’s just really…. intriguing to see that he wasn’t this completely innocent virgin who was scared of women type character that so many portray him to be. He was just like any other man. One sly ol’ dawg 😛 lol 🙂 Thanks for posting this 🙂


    • Lol.. I thought mj was like that at first 2 but now, i see the real MEN that he was!!!!
      Is cute to see mj in his “dirty” side!!
      I luv mj fantasies !!


  41. The kissing Jodie Foster thing really threw me off for sure. (per 6-21 post)

    WHAT?! WHO KISSED LESBO JODIE FOSTER? DEBBIE ROWE?! WHERE CAN I READ ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I NEVER HEARD ABOUT IT BEFORE?!


  42. Hey!!!
    I just luv your blog!!
    I’m just still surprised, i didnt know mj was like that!!!
    i thought he was shy, reserved, virgin, and all that stuff!!
    But now i know he was just a normal red blooded man!!
    Pls can you upload more thing!!
    I’m in my computer everyday to ear more about mj!!
    I just have a question..
    Do you know if mj and siedah garret did “somethin”?


    • I upload stuff as I find it 🙂 It’s addictive though, huh? 😀

      I don’t know if he and Siedah did anything, sorry.


  43. Yeah girl!!
    Im stuck to this blog everyday, waiting 4 more uploads!!!
    I can wait 4 more!!!


    • Girl, you have to check the other entries! This blog’s very very addicting, YES!


  44. Dayummm!!!
    Mj was a kinky man behind close doors!!
    He really keep it all in tha closet!!!


  45. A fan wrote this to me on youtube about MJ going up under girls skirts when he was younger.

    “he never said he liked it. it sounded like a traumatic expirience for him. & when he said that, he meant moving their skirts so he could get the coins. And he may have expirienced it personally, but not everyone is the same, even if he didn’t have a personal expirience it may have given him insight on how some women are, & he didn’t want to be put in that situation. ”

    OMG some people make him out to be so sad and vulnerable. I thought he went under girls skirts for fun and because he wanted to. I didn’t know it was a “traumatic” experience and he was only looking for coins but accidently saw under girls skirts and it traumatized him for life. Geeeez


    • LOL I know right? I hear that so often. People do it a lot with his women too – “Oh he wasn’t ever interested in Tatiana” Really, not even for a second he thought this hot girl might be interesting? Someone even said maybe he was just interested in her purely for friendship reasons, because Michael Jackson can’t be interested in a girl for any sexual reasons… “Oh we all know he didn’t have sex with Debbie Rowe” Because she isn’t pretty enough?

      Even had to listen to someone say he may have had sex with women but we don’t know if he really enjoyed it…. LOL!


  46. I’m in love with your blog. ❤

    MJ's such a dawg. LOL. Why is it still so popular to play up the "Michael was innocent and traumatized by women" card? Is it so impossible for people to get that he might have had an interest in them romantically (and sexually)? Just 'cause he was kind, mature, and professional doesn't mean he's a "weird virgin" like the media wants him to be.


  47. hi, ive heard tht michael jackson did have a crush on beyonce from p.diddy and i also heard that he had a huge crush on kelly rowland from his good friend david gest and someone also said tht michael jackson said tht he liked her on the michael jackson tapes, can any1 tell me who he actually likes thank u


    • I don’t understand… did you read the post?


  48. um na i was jus asking a random question cos i kept hearing michael had a crush on kelly rowland and beyonce, and it reeli confused me cos david guest his good friend said he liked both. he said one time that michael had told him that he thought beyonce was beautiful, and kelly david jus says that he had a massive crush on her


    • Maybe he liked both?


      • yeh maybe 🙂 LOL X he was such a ladies man lol x


  49. umm naa it was jus a random question cos i dont kno for sure who michael likes kelly or beyonce and i was jus wondering if anyone else knew. 🙂


  50. Ahmad is a kid who visited NL at different times from 1997-2003, his interviews are easy to find.


  51. i was reading through the michael jackson tapes book the other day and got michael quoted saying: Jennifer lopez looked awfully good the other day she did:!!xx 🙂 Jlo u r soo luckyy gurl!!xx


  52. sorry i didnt realise it keeps repeatin my message. does anyone know if they can delete comments on ere ?x 🙂


  53. Girl, I’m in the process of retweaking my theory on MJ’s sexuality. At 1st, I was thinking that his 1st sexual experience was with Diana Ross in his late teens but I’ve been reconsidering a lot of things & I’m sorta leaning towards the idea that MJ had lost ‘it’ at an earlier stage, before his acne breakout. & that traumatic puberty surge sort of made him more inhibited & embrace his mother’s JW w/c may have comforted him for a while, UNTIL he just said, to hell with it & became the dawg we all know he was!;P LOL!

    Anywhoo, am I harassing you or what? I know I can be a bit of a nagger at times! LOL! But girl, I really want to reread LBoogiebee’s posts on MJ & Blanket’s mama thing. I need to make up my mind about it!


    • & I’m sorta leaning towards the idea that MJ had lost ‘it’ at an earlier stage, before his acne breakout. & that traumatic puberty surge sort of made him more inhibited & embrace his mother’s JW w/c may have comforted him for a while, UNTIL he just said, to hell with it & became the dawg we all know he was!

      Ding ding ding.


  54. Oh, I found the post, but it’s a reposting on another site I screencapped. I read the Promo guy post in the original site but never bothered with it, apparently, when it was reposted, I bothered to screencap it! I’ll pm it to you if you want! I think, it’s the complete post!


  55. The whole jlo thing must have been edited on Dateline, because I remember hearing Michael say that he never thought JLo was attractive but he saw her on an award show on t.v. and thought that she was attractive on that.

    And Karen Faye said about the Beyonce thing, a poster asked her and posted her response on a mj website, about Beyonce. She asked him about her, and he said, to her surpise, Turkle she’s a pretty girl, but I’m not into the thighs and butts. And then she was like, how could anyone not like Beyonce?

    Mind you, when David Gest told Beyonce about him having a crush on her, Beyonce was smaller than. I find it hard to believe that MJ would be attracted to a bigger woman, because of the torment he put Janet through over her weight. When they were younger Michael according to Janet would call her Donk, short for Donkey. And he would cut out pics of slender women and give it to her. He thought that by doing so, would cause her to lose weight. MJ apologize to her later on. Janet and MJ both discussed that. I’m pointing this out, because people want to say, he couldn’t possibly have a crush on Kelly, it was only Beyonce. When when David told Beyonce this, it was during a period when she was skinny. Think about it. If people want to post things about MJ post the truth. jmo.


    • She asked him about her, and he said, to her surpise, Turkle she’s a pretty girl, but I’m not into the thighs and butts. And then she was like, how could anyone not like Beyonce?

      Karen Faye is full of shit.


      • yeh i agree with rockforeveron. Cos i also heard tht whn michael liked tatiana thumbtzen she seemed to be nasty towards tatiana. Apparently this was because karen had feelings for michael. so yeh i think karen faye is a bit of a bitch and a liar. she was just nasty towards tatiana.n 2 me it seems like she is jealous of who michael likes. anyway i would believe michaels mate david guest cos he had known him for years. so i think michael had a crush on all 3 kelly, beyonce n jlo x 🙂


  56. when did David Gest say that MJ had a crush on JLO?

    I believe Karen Faye because why would she lie about MJ preference? last time i checked Karen isn’t a small frame woman herself. not every black man is into the thighs and butts. Remember, his longtime crush, his first love Diana Ross was slender and tall.

    I think Karen Faye says things that the fans can’t accept so they say she’s a liar. She’s the one that spend years with MJ. what would she gain by lying about MJ comments?


    • Because Karen Faye doesn’t know anything. She worked with him for years, she wasn’t his BFF or someone who knows him with women. Michael didn’t talk to her like he would other people.

      Diana Ross had bootay


      Karen can say what she likes and people can believe her, but she doesn’t really know anything.

      If people want to understand why fans have a problem with Karen Faye they should try researching her and ask why so many fanboards have such a problem with her to the point that for a long time most of them wouldn’t allow any discussion on her at all.


      • Is that Ms Ross doing the “DIP!” lol!!! showing Mike what he was gonna get later, but only if he was a really good boy!!!!LOL


  57. sorry but id still hav 2 go wiv david guest. n david guest was like his best m8 for years n years. n karen faye was jus hes makeup artist. i jus think she cant handle the fact that michael wasnt the slightest bit interest in her. n thts why shes so jealous of the people he fancies. sorry karen can say wah she likes. buh 2 me it seems like david is tellin the truth. n michael even flirted with beyonce at the world music awards 2006 telling her tht she was distractin him 🙂


  58. Loz, how do you know what he SAID to Beyonce?!! This is intriguing! Anyway, even on a You Tube when Michael and his brothers were The J5 and they were interviewing each other, MJ said “I like girls with BIG LEGS.” True, he LOVED Diana Ross who had skinny legs, but that just proves that all people have PREFERENCES, but love is love regardless of looks.

    I believe Michael liked whomever caught his eye for whatever reason, and he admired a VARIETY of sexy female body types, meaning Kelly, Beyonce, Lisa Marie, Kai Chase, JLo, Diana Ross, Princess Diana. He was your average guy in that way and these women are appealing to MOST men because they all have SOMETHING going for themselves and they are fit and fine in their own ways. MJ liked ’em ALL.

    I really don’t think Debbie Rowe’s body type especially turned him on tho, only her fertile womb was the big draw. Teasing Janet proves he was a NORMAL obnoxious brother who talks too much and tells your secrets, etc. Of course, he’d prefer LaToya’s body shape to Janet’s becuz he admired dancers’ lean bodies, but his porn PROVES that, regardless, this man liked looking at plenty of T&A!


    • Loz, how do you know what he SAID to Beyonce?!!

      It’s on a youtube video, during the 2006 WMA. It’s linked above.


  59. like how rockforeveron says its linked on this site loool x n its so obvious tht he likes beyonce even p.diddy has sed he cum lookin for her at diddys party n david guest has sed it michael told him tht she is beautiful n david called beyonce up n told her n she blushed . so it sounds pretty much 2 me tht michael liked her lol x


  60. Plz can u post one of the transcripts from the Glenda’s tapes, when he talks about that misterious ‘S’ girl….I dnt know if u have it.


  61. when ola ray speaks about michael on ere she says tht they had some intimate moments, buh thts confusin cos he always sed he was datin brooke shields, n michael once sed 2 his staff afta a rehersal wiv ola he kept saying oh shes adorable shes adorable! shes so hot! they wouldve made a gr8 couple 😀 xx he was a rite ladies man!!!xxx


    • I believe that Mike and Ola did have sex…
      But i think the relationship between Brooke and Mike was just PR, Just to give mike the inocent image that he always want to have in public, because brooke in that time, was what we could call a “virgin, inocent litle girl”, and mike was just taking her in dates to have a inocent image, he was a very private person, and didn’t want ANYONE to know about is “sexcapades”, for example: the groupies on the bad tour, the ‘S’ girl etc.. But we MJ fans,know that mike liked women, and did have sexual relationships with them….That’s what i think about Brooke and Mike!!


      • yeh i agree tht ola n michael had somethin goin on n not only tht but he used 2 cum 2 her room during the making of thriller n he would learn stuff from her x buh anyway i dont think he was datin brooke properlly x my true opinion is i think tht michael shouldve stayed wivv tatum oneal or tatiana they were nice girls x buh i do wonder who michael truly loved n wanted xx


        • I would like 2 see mike with Tatiana too….They would make a cute couple, but i dont like Tatum, she is too stupid, she was talking bad stuff about mj….-


        • yehh tatiana n mj were reeli cute 2gether xx at 1 point it was reported tht michael told his mother he had real feelings for her and tht he loved her x did u also hear about MJ crushing on kelly rowland apparently david gest said this in an interview lol xx


        • yehh tatiana n mj were reeli cute 2gether xx at 1 point it was reported tht michael told his mother he had real feelings for her and tht he loved her x i also found about MJ crushing on kelly rowland apparently david gest said this in an interview lol xx if its true thn thts reeli cute x n apparently it was also in the MJ tapes x


  62. ola ray speaks about michael on ere she says tht they had some intimate moments, buh thts confusin cos he always sed he was datin brooke shields, n michael once sed 2 his staff afta a rehersal wiv ola he kept saying oh shes adorable shes adorable! shes so hot! they wouldve made a gr8 couple 😀 xx he was a rite ladies man!!!xxx


  63. Well, I think Ola Ray and his staff are lieing because all I’ve ever heard is that Ola KNEW he was dating Brooke and so, respectfully, did not even TRY to get next to him. And for MJ to call her “hot” back in THOSE days would have been a vulgar, rude thing to say, not the compliment it is today. And we all know Michael was never that way!


    • And we all know Michael was never that way!

      LOL please.

      And I very much doubt that Ryan Folsey was lying to cover for Ola.


    • im sorry u can think wah u like buh its the truth n any1 can ask u will tell u tht he was a very flirtatious man he flirted with diana ross, beyonce, vanessa williams he asked for her number, flirted loads n loads wiv tatiana n the list can go on n on n on! n it was the truth he did flirt wiv ola ray ! anyway he was dating brooke shields buh not seriously so buh i personally think ola and michael shoudve went out


  64. Hey all, just stopping by! I really do love your site; it’s the best place to get the lowdown on Michael’s love life, and while I am a firm believer in celebrating Michael as artist and humanitarian, etc., I am also very interested in this aspect of his life. Yes, you can part of it nosiness if you want. But I also think we have a job that is just as important as vindicating his name with the media, and that is overthrowing this stupid asexual myth that Michael was either: A. A pedophile; B. Gay; or C: An asexual Peter Pan. I already know he wasn’t any of those things-there’s just too much evidence to the contrary. And if he did have any homoerotic leanings, I think it was no more than the sort of bi-curiosity that a lot (most) of us have. There. I said it (lol). But the guy loved women; there’s no denying that.

    I, too, believe there’s a strong possibility that Omer and Blanket may be brothers. In fact, I’ve always kept an open mind to the possibility that Omer “may” be Michael’s son (of course, we don’t know). When Omer was a kid, he could have passed for Blanket’s twin. But I don’t believe in that crazy rubbish Ian Halperin has been purporting, that Omer is Blanket’s father. That’s just ridiculous. As far as Blanket’s mom, I do think this was someone he had a relationship with, but just as Debbie would have been kept a secret had it not been for Mama forcing him to get married, I think there was a reason why the relationship was kept under wraps. Maybe one day the truth-as well as those reasons-will come out. I think Michael went to great lengths to protect the people in his life, including the “ordinary” women whom he had relationships with (maybe with the celebrity women it was different) but maybe he felt an obligation to the non-famous women to not turn their lives into a circus.


    • im sorry u can think wah u like buh its the truth n any1 can ask u will tell u tht he was a very flirtatious man he flirted with diana ross, beyonce, vanessa williams he asked for her number, flirted loads n loads wiv tatiana n the list can go on n on n on! n it was the truth he did flirt wiv ola ray ! anyway he was dating brooke shields buh not seriously so buh i personally think ola and michael shoudve went out 🙂


  65. Oh, and sorry about the typo in my comment…that one sentence was supposed to read, “You can think of it as nosiness if you want.”


  66. i believe ola ray, there are people that collaborated her story. she has no reasons to lie. mj was obviously attracted to her, or in his words, discombulated(sp) by her. It’s possible that Ola Ray had enough respect for Michael not to tell the real deal between she and MJ, because at the time, MJ was a devout Jehovah Witness and she didn’t want him to be excommunicated. Remember, when Thriller came out, the JW had threaten to disfellowship MJ, which meant that he couldn’t have a relationship with his mother. So, if Ola knew that, she wouldn’t openly discuss their intimacy. And why do people assume that Brooke Shields was a factor? remember, MJ wsas a young man, who had this playmate in love with him, he ejoyed the attention. Either way, MJ left an impression on Ola. She said that they were supposed to meet in Las vegas. how sad, she said in the interview that she was still waiting on the call, and that she fell in love, and never been in love before.He was kind enough to help her out financially when she fell on hard times. And for the fans to hate Ola for suing MJ over royalities, well, look at it like this, women do things to get a man’s attention. Maybe she wanted MJ to show up at the courthouse, or call her, so she could see him again. By looking at the interview, she seemed sincere. Love makes people do all kinds of things.

    And for MJ to say that he was discombulated by Ola, it’s possible that he didn’t pursue a relationship with her,because being an artist, he couldn’t pursue his dreams and focus on his work, because Ola may have had the ability to take his mind off his music and art, and seeking to be the Greatest. Think about it, certain women have the ability to make the strongest man fall. And maybe MJ didn’t want to be controlled by his physical desires. JMO.


  67. and for the person that said that brooke and mj was for pr, well considering the fact that mj read and respected and followed the book of p.t. barnum, i think that 90% of MJ public image was a complete fabrication and his true self, the public never knew. So maybe the reason MJ never acknowledged Ola, was because Michael Joesph Jackson was attracted to her and not Michael Jackson.


    • I like Ola, a lot of people say she keeps changing her tune but you know what? If you check her statements, she never really contradicted herself did she? I believe that she was sincerely affected by his passing & was into him, but unlike Tatiana she was more low key. I don’t know if something more intimate intimate happened between them, but I believe something more than a peck on the cheek did happen. I also believe that a lot of the public image we see of MJ is just that, public image. I think he was a very guarded & private man & would rather keep the real him in private or on stage.


  68. Girl, can you point me to the YT vid where Wagner says this?

    “William Wagener, regarding the court case 2005

    “My nagging question, is why MJ attorneys did not bring in the 4 or 5 gorgeous women, MJ has secretly dated over the past years to prove he is…. well…. normal. To me that would have put more “REASONABLE DOUBT”. I have spoken to two, and they both said, it is part of the deal. If MJ trusts you to date him you can’t blab about it to the tabloids or anyone. Okay. I understand, and that is smart, but heck his life, his kids, his freedom is on the line here. MJ won’t budge. His girlfriends keep their mouths shut. MJ keeps his shut.””


    • He said it during the trial in 2005, but I don’t think any links still exist sorry.


      • It’s ok, I found it. It was supposedly an article as to why these 4/5 women were not brought in by MJ’s defense. It had to do with MJ refusing to have the women testify for him.


        • On his witness list there’s a woman named Louise Berggren, who starred in the Miss Castaway movie. It seems strange he had her there when no other cast member was listed and when he did all his filming for that in Neverland and as far as I’ve been able to trace, didn’t visit the set… and she’s friends with Frank Cascio…

          Things that make you go hmmmmm


      • Yeah, I read about her too, it is interesting. Some other poster mentioned that Wagener was referring to MJ’s ‘other nanny’, Patty something. You know I think the clue to some of MJ’s women are in his so-called other nannies. Remember what that Arab prince said about MJ’s nannies being MJ’s girlfriends hiding in plain sight?


        • I don’t know, I do believe he and Grace had some encounters (not a relationship) but all the info I’ve heard is that he wasn’t with any of his other nannies…


      • IDK, I’m really feeling what that Arab guy said! LOL!


        • I think he covered some girls with the line “she’s my nanny” when they weren’t, but his real nannies etc weren’t his girlfriends…


      • “I think he covered some girls with the line “she’s my nanny” when they weren’t, but his real nannies etc weren’t his girlfriends…”

        ———-

        ^^^That’s what I meant by ‘nanny’ Kitty. I didn’t mean they were REAL nannies, just supposed ‘nannies’! LOL!


  69. I think Grace and MJ relationship was more than people want to acknowledge. I don’t see why a nanny would testify for her employer in court, crying taking the blame for a deal gone horribly bad. She could have been found in contempt of court, etc. MJ was a good man but come on, why would you take the blame for a man that is just a friend/employee? The relationship was more than what they both acknowledge. who allows their children to call the nanny mum? I think because she was fired and rehired so many times by MJ, and he would beg her to come back, speaks volumes of the relationship they had. And what Grace said in the memoriam.MJ cut so many people from his life, and the media thought it was “people surrounding him”, but it was MJ, but he never fully cut Grace out of his life. Why is that? Why did he give Grace so much power that she was known to be basically the First Lady of Neverland.And if she was just a nanny, there would be no need for Jermaine and Latoya to dislike her. Jermaine had said that Grace wasn’t good for MJ or the kids.She would never come out and say , MJ and I had a relationship because what would be the point? and honestly, has anyone ever seen pics of she and her husband. And what husband wouldn’t mind their wives basically living a different life with her employee. Things don’t add up with this Grace and MJ saga, maybe it’s best we don’t know, because we would probably be shocked to know the real dynamics of their relationship. And Grace isn’t just a nanny, she is college educated, and the “daughter” to Deepak Chopra.


    • Michael and Grace weren’t in a relationship. They likely had sex, but no relationship.


  70. also i think michael liked shana mangatal x cos ive read a few pages n shana who knew grace x grace sed tht michael used 2 get reeli nervous when he was going to see shana so i think thts reli sweet x n it shows he did hav feelins for her x also did any1 hear about jane fonda think mj mightve tried 2 seduce her lol xx i kno he had the hots for beverly johnson 2 lol xx


  71. I think we need to put this into perspective. There is a possibility that MJ and Grace were dating according to a photographer and bodyguards. Dating doesn’t have to equate to sex. Remember, MJ was religious and Grace is real religious and is known to be a classy and sophisticated woman. I think that it’s important to point out the fact that MJ bodyguards have made it perfectly clear that although MJ had women friends, they never heard anything inappropriate in the limo. only mj and his friend kissing and mj chewing gum. And considering the fact that MJ had those around him sign confidentiality agreements, how do we know for sure if anybody, anonymous or otherwise is speaking the truth? And for the record, his bodyguards said that even though MJ took women out to eat,etc, they believed he wouldn’t consider that a date. I just want to make sure that because Grace Rwaramba hasn’t proclaim to be more to MJ than a dear friend and nanny to his kids, that we not discredit her and make her out to be a flossy, when she is a conservative religious woman. But, I do believe they dated. And personally, I just don’t want her name cheapen. Especially, if MJ kids read this site, they shouldn’t have to read comments that can be seen as derogatory about the only mother they have. BUT I DO WANT TO BELIEVE THEY DATED.


  72. rockforeveron, if i may ask are you in the music industry? MJ was a extremely private man who made those around him sign confidentiality papers, how is it possible that “insiders” are able to discuss with you so much on MJ private life? Are you a family friend, a personal friend to MJ? If you know Latoya tell her, I said Hi,lol. And also, do your insiders feel that they are betraying MJ trust by dispeling stories? Are you David Gest, and when is his book coming out?


  73. David, who called Jackson ‘M’, has told how the megastar always kept up to date with music and revealed his favourite contemporary artists were Beyoncé, Eminem and Dr Dre, the Black Eyed Peas and Kelly Rowland, whom he had a crush on. But I was just wondering when it says “Whom he had a crush on is he talking about Kelly Rowland or Beyonce. And the quote above also is from David Gest saying ” beyonce blushed when i told her michael had a crush on her.


  74. THE ARTICLE LISTS BEYONCE FIRST, AND THEN OTHER ARTISTS, AND FINALLY IT SAYS KELLY ROWLAND WHOM HE HAD A CRUSH ON. SO OBVIOUSLY, DAVID GEST WAS TALKING ABOUT KELLY ROWLAND. MJ HAD A CRUSH ON BEYONCE BACK IN THE EARLY 200S AND THEN RECENTLY HAD A CRUSH ON KELLY ROWLAND BEFORE HE DIED. THE ARTICLE WAS CLEAR AND CONCISE. IT’S POSSIBLE THAT MICHAEL DEVELOPED A CRUSH ON KELLY ROWLAND WHILE NOT HAVING A CRUSH ON BEYONCE. NOT TO SOUND RUDE OR SPEAK IN ALL CAPS.


  75. when is this site gna b updated??xx


    • I would like to know the same thing.


  76. I actually cried I miss mikey. I don’t like that side of him I really don’t it disturbs me but I always will love him


  77. I’m so grateful for this blog. It shows how absolutely normal and human Mike was. It’s important to know about his humanitarian ventures, his talents, and his wholesomeness, but I also love to know about the sexual side of Mj. And I find it absolutely sexy to know that he was getting it.

    I love the fact that he crushed on ladies, cussed when he was angered. Just acting well….Like A human.

    I especially love the part where he is describing to his dancers, the importance of fake-climaxing. Or in his words “Build it up to a mountain, and bring it back down, it’s gotta have that emotion”.

    SO sexy. 🙂


  78. who do u reckon were his true crushes tho?xx i think he liked beyonce x buh then i heard he liked kelly rowland as well x n thts frm his mate david so maybe he did like her x n then someone else told me he said himself that he liked kelly who knos xxxx


  79. i heard that he said that in the michael jackson tapes n when the destinys child performed their song for him bootylicious xx he would ask where kelly was so it seems to me he a thing for her haha xx


    • Why does it sound to me that people are willing to accept the fact that mj would crush on beyonce but they question his crush on kelly. I think mj admire beyonce as a artist, but it is possible he wasnt crushing on her. I heard from this guy from the same party that after mj danced with beyonce he went on to check out girls at the party. spotted a girl wisper to a body guard who wispered to another body guard, to get her number. So adviously he wasnt that much into her if he went on to another chick that quick. I think mj thought beyonce was attractive, but its possible that he may have had the hots for or a crush on kelly. I heard that he always asked for kelly everytime he saw beyonce.


  80. can someone update this site please?x


  81. hey do you guys think that michael and tatiana was a couple???

    i have hear taht they were sleepping in the same room while the bad tour is this true?

    i love your page


  82. i have hear taht they were sleepping in the same room while the bad tour is this true?

    i love your page


  83. adorava o michael quando descobri que ele tinha morrido fiquei muito triste nem acredito que dia 25 de junho ira fazer 3 anos que ele nos deixou,adoro as musicas que ele compos e nunca me canso de escuta-las.


  84. how do you know this though?x how do you know michael asked beyonce for kelly?xx


  85. is there anything on rihanna
    because i heard the michael had a thing
    for her too

    it was maybe in 2006 because that was when she’s was 18

    i dont know but can someone answer that question
    🙂
    thank you


  86. Well all i know is that my man was getting it in with the ladies!!!


  87. Actually Michael was a virgin until Lisa Presley because there is a phone conversation with a friend and her name was Glenda (its on youtube) and he tells her that he wishes he could find a women to love and trust enough to have sex with and that phone call was in 1992.


    • Yes, I transcribed the tapes here. He said he’d been with a woman and he didn’t “really have sex” with her because he was waiting for marriage, he doesn’t say when this relationship happened.


  88. Michael was a VIRGIN until Lisa Marie?!!! AMAZING! If so, then OF COURSE he was IN LOVE with her if she was indeed his FIRST!! Also, they HAD to have had xxx because he really wanted his OWN children and it was perfect to have them from a talented gene pool of both he and Elvis. He was SURE Lisa Marie was FERTILE because she’d already given birth twice. She was ripe and young, beautiful and in EVERY way, she was the ideal woman, wife and mother, and there was no way he didn’t have intercourse with her a LOT. She was immature not to get pregnant and stay married to him — no matter HOW difficult it was! They needed SERIOUS marriage counseling though because Michael was a “case” I’m sure — they both were! And Lisa’s family was so negative and non-supportive, while The Jacksons were encouraging, hopeful and helpful for the new couple. They should have stayed together is all I can say.


  89. this is my input on the michael jackson being a virgin theory.
    i deffo think michael and diana ross had sutting sutting going on, i mean ive watched every single video on youtube of them two and they just had this chemistry. I think when mike was younger she viewed him as this cute kid who could sing like hell, then as you go on to off the wall, when mike started getting sexier, i think her feelings for him arose, i mean? come on? who ever thought mike would turn out to be sexy? wasnt he always the cute one who could just sing. i mean something must of happened between then, during off the wall and the beginning of the thriler era? they were so close, they went to premieres as dates, held hands, kept saying i love you? then as time went on, mike grew even more attractive through thriller and they got closer, theres clips of them dancing real close, kissing on cheeks and stuff. something must of went down? . i think he wanted a relationship after something happened but i think diana refused because of the public. that obviously broke hsi heart and he says how it took years to get over diana. he even says she was his mother, lover and friend?
    i think mikes sexuality grew in the bad era, i think he was at his peak time then, his sexual energy in the bad tour is just immense you can literally feel it lol :L he must of been hitting something then right? i mean after doign sexual routines on stage for nearly 2 years straight? he gotta be wanting it? but the thing is i think mike dated lots of girls but didnt have intercourse with all the women, i think he was very specific. for e.g. tatiana, i think he liked her, but didnt want anything more,
    i deffo believe that LMP and mike had sex. but that was the first time his sexuality was put forward in the media and look how much hysteria that caused? i dont think mike liked it so i think he refused to let women who had intercourse with speak out and told them to remain quiet. and over the years asthe allegations came up i think Mike was deffo with women but because most people were so focused on the trails they never really focused on the fact that he could of had relationshiops
    so basically, i think mike was an active male who was fulfilling his needs :L
    what annoys me is that we will never get the truth, so many bullshit rumours about girls who supposedly had sex with mike or kissed him or they were his first. we will never know what really happened, we cna only make assuptions from his acitivity and the stuff we read. even people who worked with mike and bullshitting about what happened, which is sad cos mike trsuted them. unless i hear it from one of mikes family member what really went down, i can only trust what i think.
    note: im only 15 and im basing all this information on youtube clips and endless search on the internet! 😦
    PEACE. SORRY FOR LONG MESSAGE, im just so intrigued about his sex life :L



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