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Glenda Transcript 2-5

November 15, 2009

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  1. I listened to these conversations, but I don’t think that it’s Michael’s voice on the tapes.It just don’t sounds like Michael…And the audio is not very good and there are cuts in essential parts.What do you think about them?


    • I think they’re legit, I believe it’s definitely Michael’s voice.

      If the audio was perfect then it’d be really suspicious.

      I don’t believe he told her everything though, he even tells her that himself.


  2. who is the lady kathy he keeps mentioning?? and when he is talking about randall is that his lil baby bro randy??


    • It sounds like she’s a nurse who knows Randy, maybe she’s even dating him? No idea who she is though, no pictures or names or anything, just like Melissa.

      Randall is his brother, sounds like they were close back then…


      • Couldn’t Kathy be his mother? He referrer to her as that sometimes.

        You know I was just thinking why these recording may have taken 3 long years if it was a suspicion with someone else. I think Sam was suspicious that MJ had something going on with his wife, he was probably jealous of their time together. I mean you can see even with MJ’s other female connections how obsessed they get with him & they fall really hard! KF anyone?


        • It’s Kathy’s birthday at one point, I think she turned 30. She’s also a nurse who fears White penises.

          I don’t think it’s Mama Kat 😉

          Have you seen the video of Sam and Glenda’s son talking in a documentary from 2005?


          • Nope. Do you have a link Kitty?


            • He appeared on a documentary called “Michael’s Boys.” Underneath it states the tapes were sold for $200,000 dollars. I used to have some compassion for the Stein’s but not anymore.


              • Thank you Kitty! I had not known they had actually sold the tapes to the the media! Everyone keeps saying it was used by the defense to show that MJ was hetero yet that never really made much sense did it? Now I know why you were suspicious of the supposed sister who wanted the tapes/transcript taken off that blog. Given that they sold it to the public, well, that certainly doesn’t fit.


  3. yeah lol it do.. it seems like he was the closet with janet and randy throughout his life


  4. I wouldn’t be disturbed by it if I were you, these tapes are highly edited tapes for a recorded conversation for over 3 years. If you think the Bashir interview which lasted 8 months & ended up edited the way it is looks bad, imagine a 3 year conversation edited to make it look like the tapes are making it look. You have to take caution when it comes to things that makes MJ look bad, there is always something or someone behind it & it usually isn’t favorable on MJ’s part.


  5. What I think is funny is that he uses that word for Jack Gordon – a white guy.

    And are you serious about Bob Jones not being a liar? Do you not know what he did to Michael in 2005 when this book was being written and published? What he said was so bad that he and his co-author were put on the stand where they admitted to lying:

    Cross-examination of BOB JONES (April 11 2005)

    25 Q. And then you were asked, “Um, did you see
    26 Mr. Jackson engage in any head licking of anybody?”
    27 And your answer was, “Never.” Remember that?
    28 A. I recall.

    …….

    3 Q. And you told the prosecutor you had written
    4 the words at the bottom of the page that refer to
    5 licking, right?
    6 A. Uh-huh.
    7 Q. And is it your testimony that you have not
    8 approved the accuracy of that statement?
    9 A. That is correct.

    ……….

    4 Q. And would you agree when you’re working with
    5 a co-writer and a publisher to prepare a book about
    6 Michael Jackson, there’s pressure to make things
    7 sensational when you can, right?
    8 A. Yes.
    9 Q. And your publisher and others want a book
    10 that can sell, correct?
    11 A. My co-writer [STACEY BROWN].
    The publisher wasn’t involved
    12 in that particular end of it.

    …………

    13 Q. Okay. And do you then typically correct or
    14 change what you think is either inaccurate or
    15 inappropriate?
    16 A. Oh, I’ve changed millions of things that
    17 were inaccurate that I didn’t say

    ………..

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    8 RECROSS-EXAMINATION [of STACY BROWN]
    9 BY MR. MESEREAU:
    10 Q. Mr. Brown, what I think the prosecutor just
    11 elicited is the following: When he[BOB JONES] was broke, he
    12 said there was licking. And when he didn’t have
    13 financial problems, he said there wasn’t any, right?
    14 A. Well, if that’s how you —
    15 Q. Right?
    16 A. — break it down, yeah, I guess.
    17 MR. MESEREAU: Thank you.

    18 MR. AUCHINCLOSS: No further questions.

    He also alleged that Michael was gay, that Michael and Lisa were involved in a sham marriage (pfft, show me the receipts), that MJ was obsessed with little boys (pfft), and he and his co-writer were responsible for circulating malicious lies about MJ on the internet during the close of the jury proceedings.

    I’m actually writing up a piece about Stacy Brown now, that guy is a piece of work. Both of them were, actually. Even someone who knew Jordan Chandler and was actually on the Mesereau witness list against Jordie has spoken out against what scuzzbuckets Stacy/Bob were.

    And I’m not too sure about the company of blacks things – you know, considering at the time Bob Jones was working for him for almost 30 years and was black, his PR agent Raymone was black, his security guards were the NOI, his children’s nanny was African, and now we find out his chef was black, his doctor was black, in the last few years he’d spent time hanging out with Chris Tucker, WilIAm, Akon, DJ Whoo Kidd, Lionel Richie… etc. For someone who wants to diassociate with black people and finds them so awful he sure went out of his way to keep them close to him his entire life.

    But hey, if you find Bob Jones credible, then best of luck to you.


    • Well, isn’t that evidence that MJ used the word “Splaboos” because you just said he used that word for Jack Gordon. It’s been confirmed that he did indeed use the word “Splaboos” because you said MJ called Jack Gordon a “Splaboo”.

      Where did you get the information that MJ called Jack Gordon a “Splaboo”?


      • I’ve never said MJ called Gordon a splaboo, and Michael has never called anyone a splaboo.

        I really don’t know what you’re talking about, at this point you sound like you’re intentionally just trolling.


        • You clearly said MJ called Jack Gordon a “Splaboo”. Even ‘Helena” from the ‘vindicating michael jackson’ blog said you did, which is how I found out. Here is what you said in reply to ‘Annie Nomus’:

          What I think is funny is that he uses that word for Jack Gordon – a white guy.

          I have never clearly said that and I have no idea what you’re talking about.

          In the Glenda tapes Michael calls Jack Gordon a “wannabe mafioso”. Bob claims Michael used the word “splaboo” instead of the word “nigger,” but Michael actually calls himself a nigger on the Glenda tapes. So it seems he had no problems with that word. It’s kind of like the way rappers and other black people can use that word for themselves, Michael grew up in a time period where that was the norm.

          He has never used the word splaboo and I’ve never said he did.


    • ‘rockforeveron’ I got you mixed up with ‘lacienegasmiles’ because you all have the same pictures. But regardless, I replied to you not ‘lacienegasmiles, or maybe I didn’t and it’s been a mix up because of the exact same pictures you all have for your id pic.

      Anyway, how could you say MJ never used the word “Splaboos” on blacks if he used it on Jack Gordon? Isn’t that a indication that MJ called blacks “Slpaobos” sense he did indeed use the word “Splaboos on Jack Gordon?


      • I have never said that, you can see in my comment I never said the word splaboo, so where are YOU finding that word in my post or comments? You lack basic comprehension skills. Once again, I was talking about the Glenda tapes. Find where he says it on the Glenda tapes if you’re convinced I said he said it somewhere – go on.


        • My question is are you the same person as ‘rockforeveron’? Yes or No?

          If you have not read my most recent comment, I said that I got you mixed up with ‘rockforeveron’ because you both have the same profile MJ picture.

          And why did you just say you never said MJ used the word “Splaboo”, then turn around and said: “I was talking about the Glenda tapes. Find where he says it on the Glenda tapes if you’re convinced I said he said it somewhere”.

          First you said you never said MJ used the word “Splaboos”, now you’re saying MJ used the word “Splaboos” during the “Glenda Calls”. I’m done with you, goodbye.


          • And why did you just say you never said MJ used the word “Splaboo”, then turn around and said: “I was talking about the Glenda tapes. Find where he says it on the Glenda tapes if you’re convinced I said he said it somewhere”.

            First you said you never said MJ used the word “Splaboos”, now you’re saying MJ used the word “Splaboos” during the “Glenda Calls”. I’m done with you, goodbye.

            You seem to have a hard time with comprehension.

            I have never said he used the word ANYWHERE. Not anywhere in these posts do I even bring that word up, you have.

            This is a discussion post about the Glenda tapes, so if you’re claiming that I have supposedly confirmed this (in your imaginary fantasy land), then go and listen to the Glenda tapes and point out to me and to everyone else where the hell this word is. It ISN’T there and has never been said by anyone besides you.

            He calls Toya’s husband a “wannabe mafioso”, but please find on the tapes where he uses the word, I’m sure like with my posts, only you will be able to hear it.


  6. Why would they ask about the racial issues on the stand? He admitted to lying on the witness stand in order for money.

    Nobody else has ever mentioned anything about “splaboos” – in fact, it sounds absurd. Maybe you can find someone credible in his life that backs this up – Diana Ross? Bill Bray? Lisa Marie? Debbie? Maybe he told Glenda somewhere on the tapes? Maybe he used the word nigger on the tapes but in real life around the black Bob Jones he went for “splaboos” – because clearly the word nigger isn’t enough for Michael.

    And yes, Michael hired black people, and not just to work for him, to work above him. John Mclain is now an executor of his estate. And I’m not sure about you – but I have racist relatives who would rather their children were left alone all day than have to hire a black African woman who is very much reported to have been known as “mother” by his children. You don’t think there were any white women who could’ve done the job? Especially as according to you:

    n the book it states MJ would make up any excuse not to hire a black and it would seem that was the case.

    Yes, it seems MJ was forced into hiring Grace – who btw pissed fans off back when because she is known to be “pro-black” and this was a fact that went around the fan community before he passed – and he was forced into hiring Nation of Islam bodyguards, these people who worked with him until his death and who I actually have a friend who is friends with one of these bodyguards, yes a black man, who has nothing but nice things to say about MJ – and forced into hiring Raymone Bain – I’m sure there was a gun to his head when he hired Conrad Murray – and a gun to his head when the only magazine he has consistently given interviews to in his life has been Ebony/Jet – and they were probably threatening his family to force him into hiring Kai – and don’t even let me get started on who forced him into buying pornography featuring black women ask about how much his hands had to be twisted in order for all that to happened. Because there aren’t white bodyguards, white chefs, white PR agents, white lawyers, white nannies, white celebrities, white girlfriends and white magazines he could have spent time with.

    As far as the celebrities you mentioned, I don’t think Michael would give any of them the time of day if they weren’t famous. If they were regular black people i think he would avoid them, ignore, them, mock them, etc.

    How funny that Jordie Chandle isn’t even white and yet Michael spent time with him just because Jordie is clearly a huge celebrity. I wonder how Bob Jones fits that into his plan, considering he believes Michael molested Jordie.

    I don’t even understand how this works. He hires black people all around him who are just regular people – Bill Whitfield, Kai Chase – speak highly of who he was and how he behaved around them. Yet you’re certain that without a doubt he would have mocked and ignored WillIAm, Akon, Chris Tucker, DJ Whoo Kidd and others? People didn’t even know that Michael was hanging out with these people until Michael died. He didn’t advertise it. He didn’t make a big rally to be seen with these people. It ONLY came out because of his death. WillIAm shared the story of their time together; Akon shared the stories about hanging out with him; Whoo Kidd only spoke about Michael after he died. But Michael is the one who only associated with them for their fame? That’s okay, according to you he would have hated them otherwise and only spent time with them because they were famous, even though this was no benefit to him.

    Once again, if you want to believe Bob Jones and Stacy Brown over the people who were actually close to him and who weren’t fired by him and who held no resentment towards him, then good for you.


    • so of course he would be cordial to their faces so is my grandfather.

      Cordial is being polite – Michael openned up his home for these people. I know a NOI guard who Michael gave his key to and told he could come by whenever he wanted. Do these racists in your family also flirt and date black people? Do they purchase pornography about black people?

      I never said it was for show, I meant he tolerated these people because of thier status if not for that he wouldn’t.

      Oh so he tolerated them? He didn’t actually enjoy being around them? Like when he told Whoo Kidd to specifically come sit by him during dinner and hung out with him afterwards, seeking him out. That’s how I tolerate people, I seek them out in private.

      About the Nanny, this offensive but i think she was seen like a “Mammy” which is a racist archetype. That sitiuation is no different than any other prejudice family that has a black woman looking after the children.

      Do you even know the dynamic between Michael and Grace? A “mammy” would be the last word to use to describe her.

      It seems you’re just making things up now.


  7. No I don’t know the dynamic between MNichael and Grace and neither do you. That aside any random on the internet can tell you they’re the friend of a friend who knows someone. Did your friend provide you with proof they know this person and that is what happened?

    He didn’t open up his home to anybody! What do you expect them to do cook outside? If these people are chefs and bodygaurds of course they’re going to be staying with him.

    And who has he dated that was black??? In the last thirty years of his life that wasn’t a rumor or some weirdo looking for attention. And I read the pron list the was NO black porn listed but that doesn’t matter either because getting aroused has nothing to do with racism. Hell Im living proof of that!


    • No I don’t know the dynamic between MNichael and Grace and neither do you.

      Anyone who read any of the many numerous lawsuits and court cases in the last 5 years would have a good idea about how the dynamic of Grace and Michael’s WASN’T and that was that she wasn’t some damned Mammy. It’s patently ridiculous to suggest it. In fact, reading that was the first time I’ve ever heard anyone suggest something like that and the first thing that came into my head was “is this person a racist?” Are all black nannies to you “mammies”? And many more credible sources than people like Bob Jones have spoken about how their business and friendship was – she had a lot of power in Michael’s life because he wanted her to. Read any of the various lawsuits about him and see how her name is used and the contex of how her business relationship with Michael is discussed. I’m so offended for Grace that you’d even use that word for her.

      He didn’t open up his home to anybody! What do you expect them to do cook outside?

      Could you again show to me as directed by Bob Jones – maybe receipts or letters – where Michael had a gun to his head to hire these people? Are there only black chefs in Hollywood? Black doctors? Black musicians? Black bodyguards? Black nannies?

      Did your friend provide you with proof they know this person and that is what happened?

      Did Bob Jones provide you with proof? 🙂 And yes, I know this girl’s full name, she’s actually related to a black celebrity. But obviously this is meaningless – but let me guess, if I claimed to know someone and said “Grace is like a Mammy” “Michael used words like splaboo all the time” you’d believe I had an inside source made of gold and wouldn’t question it.

      And who has he dated that was black???

      Diana Ross, “Sometimes Michael Jackson is my date.” Stephanie Mills. He invited Tatiana onto the set of two other videos, he’s never done that with anyone else. Flirted with numerous black celebrities. But who other than Lisa and Debbie would anyone believe Michael has dated? People don’t believe Shana; they also don’t believe Joanna. Everyone can be dismissed as a weirdo or crazy, must mean Michael didn’t date anyone at all obviously. That’s a logical way to go around things.

      Let me give you a hint, and I’m surprised nobody has done this yet: ask his 3 bodyguards how Michael felt about black women.

      i>.And I read the pron list the was NO black porn listed

      521 Visions of Fantasy Magazine, Sam Jose’s Black Starlett (In Notebook), SBSO

      but that doesn’t matter either because getting aroused has nothing to do with racism

      Which is why you’re so intent on believing Michael didn’t date black women or masturbate to black women? If it wasn’t important, you wouldn’t feel the need to dismiss these people in his life.

      Oh, you’re right, the only thing that matters is Bob Jones. Unless he says something it cannot be true. He and Stacy started a story about Macaulay Culkin being Blanket’s father. He is the epitome of truthiness. I worship at the alter of his wisdom. All this research I’ve done about Michael and all I really needed to do was memorize his book and all the gospel he’s shared about someone he so clearly wanted to only share info about for alturistic and pure reasons.


  8. Quincy Jones has said this

    No, never mentioned the word splaboos. Maybe you could direct me to where he did?

    Maybe you’re talking about Quincy saying Michael didn’t have vitiligo, didn’t have blisters on his lungs and his comments about Michael’s children.

    Ironic considering Michael’s autopsy went on to prove his vitiligo, to prove the blisters on his lungs and then Michael’s child has been confirmed to also have vitiligo. Not just that, but funny that Quincy’s wives and girlfriends have all been white and he has light skinned children too. Funny also that Michael befriended his two daughters, who were not famous at the time either. Even invited Kidada to be at an awards show with his parents, and it was something only fans who screencapped it managed to figure out. He really does go out of his way to privately tolerate people.

    But just because the man was hard up for cash because he was fired without severance pay doesn’t mean some of the things he said weren’t true.

    Randy Jackson, Michael’s black brother was his manager at the time and he fired Bob. Not that Michael owed Bob anything, considering the shit job Bob did for Michael and how he had privately been betraying Michael for years.

    Whether the man he reffered to was white or not he still use the word and a derogatory sense he then went on to say he didn’t want Glenda to think he was a “typical nigger”. Why would he say that if he didn’t have negative views of blacks in general.

    A lot of black people from Michael’s time period – 50s/60s/70s used the word “nigger” casually in conversation as a cuss word for people. And actually, when he says typical nigger he’s talking about himself. He’s calling himself a nigger. Chris Rock uses it a lot in his stand up, rappers use it a lot in their music, does that make them all self hating and racist?

    Why do you think Michael’s nephew Taj wrote him this letter


    What do you think that was about?


  9. You’re obviously have comprehension issues because your little rant had nothing to do with what I sais. Where did i say I worshiped Bob Jones? I mention him because he is the one who wrote the damn book, you keep bringing up Stacey brown.

    And no Im not a racist just using an example. One magazine! LOL Oh yes he loved black women. Anyway He didn’t need to be force to hire anyone. As I said before even a racist(the ones I know at least) will hire someone if they can do the job. Again a handfull of black employees over three decades is hardly “being surrounded by black people”

    Yes this girl is meaningless in this conversation, Quincy Jones and Bob Jones aren’t people I met on the internet who claim to know other people that met and spent time around Michael so the argument on who’s more credible is moot.

    Also don’t put words in my mouth I never said Quincy said splaboos any such thing. That came from the book. Quincy said as much the same thing as Bob though just in his own words.

    Michael having black employees and idolizing Diana Ross has nothing to do with how he felt about black people in general.

    Nothing you’ve provided shows or proves that the book was wrong about the race thing or that Quincy Jones was wrong. At the end of the day neither you nor I know MJ personally so when it comes to forming a judgement on something like this I think people who actually knew him trumps speculation and assumption from fans.


    • You’re obviously have comprehension issues because your little rant had nothing to do with what I sais. Where did i say I worshiped Bob Jones?

      You keep holding him up as a reputable source for why you believe Michael was a racist, so racist that he called people Splaboos. This is only something Bob has come up with. Nobody else has ever said such a thing.

      And no Im not a racist just using an example.

      There’s nothing about Grace that resembles a Mammy. For your mind to instantly label her as such makes me wonder where you’re coming from.

      One magazine! LOL

      Right, because you just made a statement that he had “no” black pornography. And regular Playboys/Hustler/etc features black women too.

      Again a handfull of black employees over three decades is hardly “being surrounded by black people”

      We’re talking 3 decades? There’s a hell of a lot more than a handful then. And Chris Tucker, WillIAm, Akon, Whoo Kidd were not his employees. And if we’re going back then – most of his friends were black.

      Michael having black employees and idolizing Diana Ross has nothing to do with how he felt about black people in general.

      Of course not, acording to you. Only Bob Jones and Quincy Brown reflects his innermost feelings about race. Two people who have been proved wrong and proven to be liars.

      Also don’t put words in my mouth I never said Quincy said splaboos any such thing. That came from the book. Quincy said as much the same thing as Bob though just in his own words.

      Yup, he said of course Mike had problems with his race, look at his vitiligo, his blisters on his lungs, his children. All of which he has been proven wrong about.

      At the end of the day neither you nor I know MJ personally so when it comes to forming a judgement on something like this I think people who actually knew him trumps speculation and assumption from fans.

      Right, Bob Jones and Quincy, two black people Mike kept around him in his life.


      • Yes two black men that both admit he had a problem with his race.


        • I guess I’m crazy because I’d rather listen to LL Cool J, Whoo Kidd, Chris Tucker, Rick James, the Williams Sisters, Raymone Bain, Grace Rwaramba, his NOI guards, his 3 bodyguards, Emmanuel Lewis, Jordie Chandler, June Chandler, Stephanie Mills, Farrakhan, Stevie Wonder, Lionel Richie, Diana Ross, Berry Gordy, Teddy Riley, Beyonce, his nephews and neices, his cousins, his children, his father, Eddie Murphy, Eddie Griffin, Kanye West, Slash, Neyo, Chris Brown, Celena Cherry, Mariah Carey, Vince Patterson, Jeffrey Daniels, Greg Phillinganes, Siedah Garrett, Rodney Jerkins, Neffu, James Brown, Dick Gregory, Bill Bray, Kai Chase, Shana Mangatlal, Tatiana Thumbtzen, Vanessa Williams, Magic Johnson, Majestic, Missy Elliot, Chili, Prince, Steve Harvey, Usher, LA Reid, Steve Manning, Ola Ray, Naomi Campbell, Iman, Marva King, Beverly Johnson, Jodi Gomes, Cece Peniston, Jody Watley, Stacey Mackenzie, Foxy Brown, Patti Boulaye, PDiddy, Bobby Colomby, David Walliams, Tim Whitehead, Nelson Mandela, Spike Lee, David Ruffian, Sammy Davis Jnr, Little Richard, Samantha Mumba, Michael Bearden, Dorian Holley, Travis Payne, Don Boyette, Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, Smokey Robinson, Debbie Allen, Lena Horne, Jackie Wilson, Prince Michael, Prince Amir, Basheer Mohammed, Kerry Anderson, Flo Anthony, Michael Lovesmith, Bryan Loren, Amina Warsuma… off the top of my head, over two bitter old men.

          One who had betrayed Michael for years to magazines and lied MORE than just about head licking in his book (Michael’s relationship with Lisa was a sham, Michael was molested by his father, Michael was obsessed with little boys and hated girls, Michael was gay and asexual and a pedophile), and the other Quincy Jones, who has been proven wrong about everything he alleged about Michael’s illnesses and children and who has also made other random disapraging remarks about Michael’s talent since his death.

          But it’s okay – Grace is a “mammy” because she happens to be a black nanny, and Bob Jones was Michael’s black confidante when he would go on racist rants about other black people.


          • Most of those people you mentioned he only met once or twice and the others he hadn’t spoken to in years OR after they were done collaborating they didn’t hang out again.

            And why are Quincy and Bob bitter? For what?

            I didn’t call Grace a mammy just said that was probably close to what she was.

            No it seems Bob was just the one to come out and say how Michael really felt about black people in public.

            I mean if we are to follow your logic than any racist who has ever flirted with, hired, or befriended someone they look down on then they’re not prejudice just because of a few exceptions.

            Have you heard of Strom Thurmond? he has a half black daughter. He was a staunch segregationist and very vocal about his dislike for blacks. Obviously cavorting with blacks does not mean you aren’t racist.


            • Oh and it’s been widely know that Sammy Davis jr. suffered from the same problems Michael seemed too. Only he was more open about doing racist skits with Dean martin. also sammy married a black woman at one time. See? you can still be racist and tolerate blacks if you have too. What don’t you get about that? My hates black people but she tolerates my father because she has too. Same with my grandparents.


              • So? Michael still respected and paid tribute to him.

                Sammy also lived back in very different times; of course he performed racist skits.

                My hates black people but she tolerates my father because she has too. Same with my grandparents.

                You’re projecting your issues onto Michael Jackson, just like many other people have. You’ve assumed these people in Michael’s life performed the exact way as the people in your life did.


            • Most of those people you mentioned he only met once or twice

              Nope.

              and the others he hadn’t spoken to in years OR after they were done collaborating they didn’t hang out again.

              Nope. You’re just making shit up. You have no idea about the contact or friendship these people had with Michael.

              And why are Quincy and Bob bitter? For what?

              Uh… because Bob Jones was fired by Randy without severance pay? Because Bob felt he was entitled to keep getting paid for essentially doing nothing? In Bob’s case it also PAYS to be bitter. Just like the Neverland 5 felt they would get paid for their bitterness, and the Arviso’s and Evan Chandler did. And Quincy was lovely about Michael, read his autobio, only changed when Michael’s trial came about and he started distancing himself from Michael. Something happened between Mike/Q after 1988.

              Bob Jones is not the first and last to betray Michael for money: for some people it sems to be a career option.

              No it seems Bob was just the one to come out and say how Michael really felt about black people in public.

              Thank God for pure hearted truthful people like Bob.

              I mean if we are to follow your logic than any racist who has ever flirted with, hired, or befriended someone they look down on then they’re not prejudice just because of a few exceptions.

              So why do you go out of your way to dismiss and minimize these people from his life? It’s as if you realize that if they weren’t just “tolerated” it makes your assumptions about Michael about as valid as Quincy’s assumptions about Michael’s skin, his lungs and his children.

              And these aren’t exceptions.

              I didn’t call Grace a mammy just said that was probably close to what she was.

              Because all black mother figures are mammies. You don’t know who Grace is about at all to even suggest such a thing – you must just hear “black female nanny” = “mammy.”


            • Let’s narrow it down then, people Mike kept in contact with from my list:

              Chris Tucker, Rick James, the Williams Sisters, Raymone Bain, Akon, WillIAm, Grace Rwaramba, his NOI guards, his 3 bodyguards, Emmanuel Lewis, Jordie Chandler, June Chandler, Stephanie Mills, Farrakhan, Stevie Wonder, Lionel Richie, Diana Ross, Berry Gordy, Teddy Riley, Beyonce, his nephews and neices, his cousins, his children, his father, Eddie Murphy, Eddie Griffin, Kanye West, Slash, Neyo, Chris Brown, Celena Cherry, Mariah Carey, Vince Patterson, Jeffrey Daniels, Greg Phillinganes, Siedah Garrett, Rodney Jerkins, Neffu, James Brown, Dick Gregory, Bill Bray, Kai Chase, Shana Mangatal, Magic Johnson, Majestic, Prince, Steve Harvey, Usher, LA Reid, Steve Manning, Naomi Campbell, Marva King, Jodi Gomes, Patti Boulaye, PDiddy, Bobby Colomby, David Walliams, Tim Whitehead, Nelson Mandela, Spike Lee, David Ruffian, Sammy Davis Jnr, Little Richard, Michael Bearden, Dorian Holley, Travis Payne, Don Boyette, Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, Smokey Robinson, Debbie Allen, Lena Horne, Jackie Wilson, Prince Michael, Prince Amir, Basheer Mohammed, Kerry Anderson, Flo Anthony, Michael Lovesmith, Bryan Loren, Amina Warsuma…

              All these people were in contact with Michael either until they died or until he did. Other people were out of his life because of things that happened (Vanessa Williams turned him down, Mike actually vacationed at Iman’s house once but she seemed to lose him after 93, and other various women who had crushes on him or he had crushes on them but it didn’t work out, etc)


  10. *Mother


  11. Im not projecting and the “it was a different time” is a lame excuse. No one made him do those skits he did it willing because he thought it was funny.

    You can think I think Grace is a mammy all you want I don’t I just think that is probably how she was seen by Michael.

    Half the people on that list did not keep contact with Michael through out the years and the only proof you can site Im sure is the rare occasions that they were mentioned in his company.

    And I don’t consider the commentary of those that have known him for years and have observed his behavior assumptions. People he sporadically hangs out with or had to work with on a project wouldn’t have a clear view of Michaels feelings toward blacks anyway.

    i believe he kept that side private of course, he wsn’t stupid he wasn’t going to make it know he was rcist. but Bob was around him since he was a child as well as Quincy and others. they admit he had a problem with race.


    • No, he kept it private except around only Bob Jones who had absolutely no reason beyond alturism for wanting to share these stories with people.

      What’s funny about this “And I don’t consider the commentary of those that have known him for years and have observed his behavior assumptions. People he sporadically hangs out with or had to work with on a project wouldn’t have a clear view of Michaels feelings toward blacks anyway.” is that Michael didn’t spend that much time with Bob! He was not a friend. He was not a confidante. He worked for Michael from a distance.

      I prefer the commentary of Teddy Riley, Steve Manning who has been a friend and confidante and on/off employee of Michael’s since 1970, Grace who was around him for around 17 years and knew him about as intimately as anyone could possibly know Michael, Chris Tucker who Mike has been friends with since the late 90s and visited him in Bahrain, Eddie Griffin who went to the trial with Michael, Bryan Loren who has known Michael since the early 90s and got tospend time with him in places like the Hideout, Marva King who Mike has known since 1985, Jodi Gomes who Michael has known since 1991, Rick James who has known Michael since Motown, Diana Ross who has known Michael since 1969, Vince Patterson Slash Rodney LA Reid Travis Dorian Michael Bearden Lovesmith Philanganes Siedah Daniels who have been working with Michael some since the 70s onwards, Stephanie Mills who was sleeping over at Michael’s almost every night in 1977 and who Mike would visit whenever he came up to NY till she got married, Eddie Murphy who would visit NL and play guitar, Bill Bray who worked with Michael from the 70s until his death, Magic Johnson and that other bball player who’s name I forget who would go on tour with Michael since 1980, Emmanuel Lewis who was always friends with Michael, Stevie and Lionel Richie who’ve been friends with him since Motown and he never stopped loving, Berry Gordy who Mike called “Mr B” and Mike never stopped thanking, his bodyguards like Bill Whitfield who Mike thanked in his album, Mclain who has been with Michael since the 70s?80s?……

      Quincy does not back up your beliefs about Michael and black people – only Quincy’s beliefs about Michael and his skin. Which he has been demonstrably proven wrong about. Shame on him for judging someone so harshly. Shame on you for giving credit to his beliefs.

      You can think I think Grace is a mammy all you want I don’t I just think that is probably how she was seen by Michael.

      Nope, that’s just how you see Michael as seeing her. It isn’t backed up by anything. I’m not sure if you’re aware of the role she had in his life, she was not just this silly little comical coon of a nanny figure. Just your own interpretation based on your own prejudice against Michael and against black nannies, who also run Neverland and are responsible for his money.

      Im not projecting

      You keep referencing your own family and using this as a basis for what makes Michael Jackson tick. You have based assuimptions on Michael’s nanny on nothing but an assumption on how a black woman in a nanny context can only be seen as. It’s insulting.


  12. Once again you’re twisting what I said and using straw man arguments to prove your point. You can believe i worship bob Jones, and I think black women are mammies, but that doesn’t negate that people were close to Michael and watch him grow up have stated that he had issues with himself and black people.

    And yes Quincy did comment about his race, by saying Michael didn’t want black kids it’s the same ting. Why would a racist want black children.


    • I’m not using a straw argument – you have so far only wanted to give credence to Bob Jones over Michael being racist. As though Bob is a credible viable reliable source of information. If you choose to believe Bob, you have to believe everything he said. But maybe you do.

      And yes Quincy did comment about his race, by saying Michael didn’t want black kids it’s the same ting. Why would a racist want black children.

      He didn’t say that, he said LOOK at Michael’s kids. Look at Michael’s son with vitiligo and his daughter with the same shade as Quincy’s and look at little Blanket.

      And you say “people” – Bob Jones. No one else. No, Quincy does not back up what you say.


    • The singer always claimed that his increasingly pale appearance was the result of Vitiligo, a chronic condition that causes patches of skin to lose pigment.

      However, Quincy – who also worked with Michael on Off The Wall and Bad – dismisses this explanation as “bulls**t”.

      He says in a candid new interview: “I don’t believe in any of that bulls**t, no. No. Never.

      “I’ve been around junkies and stuff all my life. I’ve heard every excuse. It’s like smokers – ‘I only smoke when I drink’ and all that stuff. But it’s bulls**t.

      “You’re justifying something that’s destructive to your existence. But when somebody’s hell-bent on it, you can’t stop ’em.

      “What his face turned into is ridiculous. Chemical peels and all of it. And I don’t understand it. But he obviously didn’t want to be black. You see his kids?”

      “He’d come up with, ‘Man, I promise you I have this disease,’ and so forth, and ‘I have a blister on my lungs,’ and all that kind of bulls**t,” he tells Details.

      “It’s hard, because Michael’s a Virgo, man – he’s very set in his ways. You can’t talk him out of it.

      So Mike would tell Quincy he had vitiligo and lung blisters – autopsy confirms Michael had vitiligo and lung blisters, or “pleurisy” as Michael Jackson said he had back in 1988 and was diagnosed back in 1978, a disease linked to lupus, which is linked to vitiligo, and which Mike and his doctors and family have all said he also had.

      So Quincy just didn’t want to believe. No where does he say, “Mike would say these awful things about black people,” “Mike would be such a little racist bitch,” “Mike would tell me a black man how he hated those other black people” “Mike called other black people splaboos and only tolerated them.”

      Then Mike’s son has this same rare genetic condition – I wonder how Quincy justifies that. He probably chooses not to believe it and will choose not to believe it when Prince discusses it in 4 years.

      Funny that Quincy can marry two white women and have a daughter with the same skin colour as Paris, but Mike’s the racist for doing it.


    • “Annie”, you say —>that people were close to Michael and watch him grow up have stated that he had issues with himself and black people<—

      Quotes please.

      And not from Quincy Jones who has an agenda spawned by rejection, nor Bob Jones who allowed himself to be bought and sold for a failed attempt at retaliation, and I beg you don't insult my intelligence by quoting La Toya, Randy or Jermaine Jackson. Show me someone with credibility… until you can, your opinion is just that, YOUR opinion & in my world worth nothing more than a cursory glance.

      Know your sources Annie, don't live your life perpetuating falsehoods.


      • I don’t know why anyone who is giving any level of credibility to Bob Jones should be posting here. Seems like another hater under disguise.

        None of what Bob said about racial splaboos could be cross examined in the trial because the book had not been published in the trial. For someone who is so keen on Bob, seems strange they didn’t know that.

        Bob Jones was also a gay man and he would hit on Michael’s fans. He made Michael and others very very uncomfortable.


  13. I used my family as examples not a base for what I believe same goes for Grace.


  14. Yes Michael is a racist regardless of who he had children with because he looked down on black people. And YES Quincy does back up my argument because I said he and Bob were the ones to come out and talk about his race issues, this includes his self hatred. Why would he be prejudice against other blacks but except himself? Of course he didn’t want to be black!

    All I or you can go on is what these choose to share with public about Michael, he could have very well gone off about black people with them but i wasn’t there so i can’t say. I can only speak about what they actually said.

    You obviously have a problem with Bob jones and that’s fine but i’ve said over and over he and Quincy are the two who went public about it so of course Im going to bring them up.

    And marrying and having kids with someone of another race does not make you racist so you can stop using Quincy children as a rebuttal. Also Quincys’ daughters are so light probably because Quincy him self is part white on his mothers side i think.


    • And you obviously find Bob Jones credible, which means you believe Mike is a terrible person. Not sure why you visit fan sites. But I find a lot of people who seem to think MJ bleached his skin who have issues with their own racial identity also frequently visit fansites too. It’s strange.

      All I or you can go on is what these choose to share with public about Michael, he could have very well gone off about black people with them but i wasn’t there so i can’t say. I can only speak about what they actually said.

      So even though there’s nothing to back that up, you also believe this happen. I’m intrigued by the people who believe things based only on their “he could have done this; we do not know.” Stance. What is said without proof can be dismissed without proof, as the saying goes.


      And marrying and having kids with someone of another race does not make you racist so you can stop using Quincy children as a rebuttal. Also Quincys’ daughters are so light probably because Quincy him self is part white on his mothers side i think.

      LOL! That’s hilarious considering these are part of your arguments for why Michael is racist! And you don’t find it funny that a man who says Mike is racist for having light skinned children goes about doing the same thing? Not only that, but Michael has white in his family too.

      Here’s some family history about Mike for you:

      Both of Katherine Scruse’s (Screws) grandparents are listed as “mulatto” on record in the 1910 census. Prince Albert Screws and Martha Upshaw were both children of biracial folks. And we know Joe’s pappy was mixed with black, white, and native. And his mother is half white.

      1920 United States Federal Census

      Crystal E King
      Home in 1920: Huntington Park, Los Angeles, California
      Age: 5 years
      Estimated Birth Year: abt 1915
      Birthplace: Indiana
      Relation to Head of House: Daughter
      Father’s Name: James A
      Father’s Birth Place: Indiana
      Mother’s Name: Rosia M
      Mother’s Birth Place: Indiana
      Marital Status: Single
      Race: White
      Sex: Female
      Household Members: Name Age
      James A King 53
      Rosia M King 38
      Pauline M King 16
      Robert E King 14
      Mary M King 10
      Crystal E King 5

      crystal e king
      http://www.elssexysoul.net/jackson_family.htm

      Yes Michael is a racist regardless of who he had children with because he looked down on black people. And YES Quincy does back up my argument because I said he and Bob were the ones to come out and talk about his race issues, this includes his self hatred. Why would he be prejudice against other blacks but except himself? Of course he didn’t want to be black!

      Of course! I thought he had vitiligo, turns out he’s been bleaching his skin since he was 12 and now he has bleached his son’s skin too. And the whole lupus blisters things – totally backs up your argument. I’m so glad Quincy was so honest and not just being judgemental about it. And Bob – well, he thinks MJ was a pedophile. I should shut my blog down and start one for him.


      • Yes! Everybody knows that Bob Jones (A severely disgruntled employee), and Quincy (A man that was obviously bitter), are very plausible in their statements of Michael being either a self-loather, and or a pedophile. I still cannot believe folks are hanging on to this “Michael hated his own race” Notion. Have they ever viewed videos, photos, articles, his mannerisms, him saying that he loved his race, Michael supporting black causes, having black crew members on the production of any one of his music videos, Loving and wanting to even marry a black woman (Diana), and acting black in the comfort of his own limo.
        I swear these people will never get it even if it punched them right in the face.
        And DAMN! that little ounce of information of Michael having vitiligo. Nobody seems to acknowledge or care about that. They don’t care that he carried around an umbrella when being exposed to sunlight, going to a doctor to get treatment for it, saying time and time again that he had it, the emotionally devastating affects that come from the disease.

        Grow up people! He wasn’t bleaching his skin, and he damn sure didn’t loathe his race.


    • I am impressed by the fact that the blogger has taken the time and the effort to list out all the evidence to disprove your hypothesis about Jackson and his “racist” inclinations. YET, the court transcripts, clear evidence of a disgruntled employee on the make are more credible to you than all the evidence about his friends, his staff, his relatives and even the literature he read and instructed his children on. Of course a Quincy Jones becomes more credible, but there is nary a thought to the fact that Mr Jones has his own severe issues and appears to be projecting without any real knowledge about Jackson. His ignorance is startling with regards to his so called friend’s disease. But no such voices must be given credence, shouldn’t they? Jackson’s actions don’t count for anything ever, his contributions to the AA community monetary and otherwise just are camouflage attempts to hide a closet KKK affinity I suppose? An ultimate attempt to wash away the very colour of his skin which fortuitously for him, genetics did a good job of providing him the very disease that he wanted!

      You obviously appear to have an agenda. An attempt to subvert opinions to your way of twisted logic and hollow so-called evidence falls flat. Give up, you just sound incredibly facile and fragile where your logic is concerned.


  15. @Annie Nomus

    Quoting Bob Jones, and Quincy Jones who has zero evidence is really silly. And Quincy for one is a bitter old senile man. There are hundreds of people who knew Michael as well and can debunk what those two are saying as false because they have EVIDENCE But for some reason you chose to believe the two idiots, for why? Why would you want to think that about Michael when you could look around on this blog and clearly see that was not the case with him.

    If Michael was this self hating black man who hated his race, why would he want to be surrounded by them? Why would he want them to cook for him? Hang around him, befriend them etc. Lets not forget that this man had black friends who were not famous at all. And a black man who didnt like his race wouldnt do that. He also wouldnt waste his time buying BOOKS about African history. He had alot of those type of books and he was definitely reading them and they werent for show. It was said that he taught his kids about black history and they were brought up as black kids. Again what black hating man would do that?

    And seriously, you believe that Michael saw Grace as “mammy” Do you honestly believe if that was true she would be working for him for all
    those years? And many people have been saying this since forever that Grace was MORE than just a nanny. “mammys” dont have POWER and Grace definitely had that at one point in his life. And I just saw a quote from another blog entry on this website that he wanted to take her to Europe with him. Who the hell does that with someone who they see as just the “mammy”. TRY AGAIN. That is so disrespectful on so many levels to believe that about Michael, seriously.

    One would think after his WILL came out that all the self hating black man, ashamed of his race, didnt like black woman BS rumors would go away. He named two black woman in his Will to look after and take care of his children. Yup, he hated his race alright. Always wanted white people around his kids and trusted them much more than black people.

    Thats why they were in his will.

    oh wait..


  16. Anybody who believes Bob jones has to be borderline Retared.

    Didn’t the fucker admit that he lied and sensationalized his book so it would sell?

    Quincy Jones has race issues himself.


    • Thank you. I luv Quincy but lets not act like he’s super pro black. The dude has 7 kids by 5 different blonde blue eyed white women. Hell, most of his kids look like Mj’s kids. I don’t see anything wrong with Mj’s use of the word ”nigga”. I’ve heard many blk’s in my family say ”I won’t eat watermelon in public because I don’t want people to think i’m the average nigga”. Meaning I don’t want people to think I’m stupid or uneducated or anything bad.


      • Quincy sounds like this poster here, judging MJ based on their own insecurities.

        Michael had vitiligo and blisters on his lungs – these were things even proven in his autopsy report. Now his son has vitiligo. Quincy’s argument that MJ didn’t want to be black and using vitiligo/lung blisters just proves he had no idea about MJ. It comes across as the height of denial to cling to something like that in order to prove MJ hated his race.

        Quincy even said back at the time, he didn’t know anything about MJ’s personal life.

        Bob Jones actually said that in the trial too.

        But of course, now these two must be the two people who’s every word is a fact who knew everything about Michael, even when what they’ve said has been proven wrong, when they testify in court that they lie for money, when Stacy Brown just comes out recently and says Bob lied for money, but what they say is true and everyone and everything else in his life is a lie.

        BTW Paris’ twitter and comments there are interesting, she spoke about how the Green Lantern was originally black, her best friends are black, and one of her comments was “I’m black and I’m proud of it.” I wonder who instilled that in her. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t Quincy or Bob.


  17. has everyone forgotten michaels rant against tommy motolla? he says it all.. listening to his speech debunks any racist allegations. if racist all, this would show borderline racism against whites on mjs part… which i dont believe. funny and sad how ppl also accused him of being an anti semite. schmuley boteach anyone? haha


  18. Well for starters, I am a BLACK WOMAN and we black people say “NIGGA” all the time and we say that when we are either referring to ourselves or just other black people or other people of different races (don’t ask why it is just what some of us do, we are not trying to be racist or anything, but that is just the way it is). So just because Mike says “nigga” does not mean he is being racist cause he for a FACT is not. Nigga in a lot of terms is used as a phrase sometimes, like in another part of the tapes he says “typical nigga” and he was just sayin how he didn’t want to come off like a regular dude or whatever you know. It is just something i guess only us black people understand but i am more than sure other people of different races understand.


  19. Where can I get the audio for free? For this particular part of the tape?


  20. Is it true that MJ called blacks “Splaboos”? According to Bob Jones, who was MJ’s PR Manager wittnessed MJ calling blacks “Splaboos” a lot, around people such as Macaulay Culkin. So is this true?


    • Bob also claimed Michael never gave his black employees or friends any gifts or treated them properly while they worked for him. Rodney Jerkins just posted on twitter about how MJ had given him a car as a present while they were working together. MJ was so close to some of his employees, like Michael Amir, that he was known as “Brother Amir” and even vacationed with the kids the first year after MJ died.

      Bob wanted to write a book to make quick money, and he knew right then writing something sleazy and trashy would sell. I don’t believe anything he says. You can just read his laughable storyline about Lisa and Michael to see how pathetic he was prepared to stoop, he didn’t even care if what he said even made any sense.


      • Yeah. But some of what Bob may have mentioned in his book may have been true about MJ. MJ is known for nicknames like “Rubba”, “Applehead” in whom he called his son prince, “Duck Butter”, etc. So I don’t know. I need more proof, hopefully from a Jackson family member or one of MJ’s friends to see if really did call blacks “Splaboos”.


        • Michael never called his son “Duck Butter”, no idea what you’re on about.

          We’ve heard MJ talk about black people on the phone with Glenda, we’ve heard him talk about many things in private, never heard this silly word used at all. The idea he would use it on his bodyguards or with Macaulay Culkin is especially ridiculous and pathetic.

          Considering so much of what Bob Jones wrote about MJ racially was wrong, and intentionally wrong, the fact you give credence to this in particular is strange.



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